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konnichiwa said:
DarthVolod said:

Lol somehow this is Trump's fault? 

I had a canker sore last week too ... Trump has to be connected. 

Even when this was retaliation after Trump's speech I would not blame Trump for it. 

Have they even identified the bomber at this point? 



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DarthVolod said:
konnichiwa said:

Even when this was retaliation after Trump's speech I would not blame Trump for it. 

Have they even identified the bomber at this point? 

What google not workign for you ?

Muslim  22-year-old Salman Abedi.

 

A big big Jaj for refugees welcome.  

Abedi was born in Manchester in 1994, the second youngest of four children. His parents were Libyan refugees



Innocent people murdered by evil losers. 

Britain's terrorist threat level has been escalated from severe to critical. Armed troops have been deployed to keep the streets safe and provide more security. 

 



Arminillo said:
The saddest part is, what can be done? If banning a group of people based on religion or place of origin is wrong, what else can we do? Ban guns? They use bombs, which are already illegal, or knives, or cars. Education? The majority of these attackers are homegrown, second generation. They grew up in these countries and still made their decisions. Counter intelligence? Blamed for profiling and invasion of privacy.

Nothing can be done, at least nothing that fits progressive western ethics.

Apparently there were signs.

Mohammed Saeed, a senior figure of Didsbury Mosque and Islamic Centre, said Salman Abedi had looked at him “with hate” after he gave a sermon criticising Isis and Ansar al-Sharia in Libya.

Saeed said he gave a strong sermon against terrorism and about the sanctity of life in 2015. He said 2,000 members of the mosque were with him; a small number were not; and a few signed a petition criticising him.

“Salman showed me a face of hate after that sermon,” he said. “He was showing me hatred.”

Saeed said a friend was so worried that he got his adult children to sit beside Salman Abedi in case he was attacked Saeed.

Saeed, who was born in Libya and came to the UK in 1980, said he was worried he would be labelled a “snitch”. But he said: “I have to speak out to protect our community, to protect innocent people.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/23/manchester-arena-attacker-named-salman-abedi-suicide-attack-ariana-grande

Perhaps making it easier to speak out before something happens would be a start.



Counter mesures must be put in place to prevent Muslim terrorists from attacking non-Muslims.
How about 24/7 surveillance and have military troops carrying out security checks?
It will be hard to carry out a terrorist attack if there are armed guards with rifles or shot guns pointed at the terrorists head.



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Boost6 said:
DarthVolod said:

Have they even identified the bomber at this point? 

What google not workign for you ?

Muslim  22-year-old Salman Abedi.

 

A big big Jaj for refugees welcome.  

Abedi was born in Manchester in 1994, the second youngest of four children. His parents were Libyan refugees

Didn't see any sites that named him when I responded before. 



First of all, I'm heart broken, and deeply saddened by this. It's horrible enough to kill civilians, but young girls? My blood is still boiling.

Now onto the politics.. While it's potentially harmful to make the blanket statement that this is an Islam problem and fall back to xenophobia, it's also naive and potentially harmful to say that this atrocity has absolutely NOTHING to do with Islam. Obviously there are millions of well meaning Muslims, but there are also thousands of Muslims determined to use massive violence and many millions more who support these acts, along with millions who view women as second class citizens who need to cover up and have a male escort at all times while many find homosexuality to be a punishable sin, many in countries that throw gays off buildings.

It's more accurate to say that these terrorist acts are the result of Islamic extremism + oppressive neocon policies of the West that have created wars in many of these societies and helped inflame terrorism. While I believe the West needs to stop (or at least dial back) the meddling of foreign affairs, which often causes a certain level of blowback from these largely Muslim countries, I likewise believe that Islam is in desperate need of reformation, similar to what Christianity had in the age of the Enlightenment.

This is a great interview that helps shed some more light on the subject, from a former Islamist and one who is seeking reform from within the religion. It's a very long interview but worth watching the entire thing, very insightful and intelligent. 



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Counter mesures must be put in place to prevent Muslim terrorists from attacking non-Muslims.
How about 24/7 surveillance and have military troops carrying out security checks?
It will be hard to carry out a terrorist attack if there are armed guards with rifles or shot guns pointed at the terrorists head.

No problem, just raise taxes 20% so we will be able to afford this kind of surveillance.



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This type of terrorism will never be stamped out until the problem is acknowledged.