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Mafioso said:
sethnintendo said:

PC market isn't that fragmented if you stick to Steam.  I don't buy EA games so I would never download Origin.  Ubisoft has their own store on PC (UPLAY) or is that just to support their online games through Steam?  Sure there are a ton of stores but most PC gamers just stick to Steam.  I don't give a shit about any other store nor is there a need.   Sure I saw some games on humble bundle sale that I believe were on GOG store or whatever it is called.  Some old school games that I was semi interested in but I was like screw it I'm not downloading another store.  Oh and the Windows Store can go fuck itself.

Well thats a big problem with Ubi and EA still putting out high profile  AAA games, and being a large part of the 3rd party market. 

Bethesda, Rockstar and Eidos games i stick to Steam .

I don't mess with GoG either, hate having my stuff all over the place.

I have no issues with the Windows Store, its literally like having an extension of my XBO library available to play at higher quality and i dont pay for MP to play on XBL.

GOG is awesome and well worth investing in because it gives you the option to just download the installer, no DRM or issues. I dont want origin (though I installed it recently to replay ultima) and steam is my other service, but I dont want more. GOG is my preferred service because it sells older games.

So I wouldnt say gog is having stuff all over the place, you just download it and put it in a single folder, easy.



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I'm curious how BC-compatible 360-games will run on the Scorpio.

Some 360 games run a bit smoother on the original hardware, some run smoother on the Xbox One. If we get the best experience of BC-compatible 360-games on Scorpio (720p with rocksolid 30 or 60 fps even in titles problematic on the 360) or even some 360-games in 1080p (without buying them again like the uprezzed PS2 games on PS4) I might consider upgrading to the Scorpio.



Conina said:

I'm curious how BC-compatible 360-games will run on the Scorpio.

Some 360 games run a bit smoother on the original hardware, some run smoother on the Xbox One. If we get the best experience of BC-compatible 360-games on Scorpio (720p with rocksolid 30 or 60 fps even in titles problematic on the 360) or even some 360-games in 1080p (without buying them again like the uprezzed PS2 games on PS4) I might consider upgrading to the Scorpio.

I think that will be where Scorpio will shine. Plus Scorpio might force better texture filtering (16x AF, but I will need clarification from Microsoft on that.) in those games... And it should have a better upscaler.




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Looking at it from a perspective other than just the specs themselves, like marketing and messaging, XB has most certainly learned some lessons and is moving ahead smoothly because of it.

Project Scorpio
CPU - Eight custom x86 cores clocked at 2.3GHz
GPU - 40 customized compute units at 1172MHz
Mem - 12GB GDDR5
Mem Band - 326GB/s

PS4 Pro
CPU - Eight Jaguar x86 cores clocked at 2.1GHz
GPU - 36 improved GCN compute units at 911MHz
Mem - 8GB GDDR5
Mem Band - 218GB/s

For starters, having Eurogamer break down and detail the specs, and accept them based on what XB said and showed what it could do, was very smart.

If you look at how the specs of the Scorpio are written out, its done very smart from a marketing perspective (I doubt Eurogamer had complete freedom to write/compare the Scorpio specs in anyway they pleased)
There is no mention of Jaguar or Puma in the CPU spec, even though Eurogamer said it is based on Jaguar. There is no mention of Polaris or GCN in the GPU spec, even though Eurogamer said it is based on Polaris. Its written down in such a way, that what stands out, is the difference in numbers between the two, and Scorpio easily wins that comparison.

The CPU is most certainly not a standard Jag, and the GPU not a standard Polaris either, but XB has made sure that the messaging isn't going to be spun against them and will work in their favor. Even the Scorpio website gives out very general information like 6Tflop GPU, making it clear from a non technical standpoint, "ours is better".

I can only assume, whatever happens at E3, better or worse than expected, XB is going to come out of it with a VERY clear message and direction for Scorpio and XB as a whole, which is just another step in the right direction.



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EricHiggin said:


There is no mention of Jaguar or Puma in the CPU spec, even though Eurogamer said it is based on Jaguar. There is no mention of Polaris or GCN in the GPU spec, even though Eurogamer said it is based on Polaris. Its written down in such a way, that what stands out, is the difference in numbers between the two, and Scorpio easily wins that comparison.

There is a reason for that. Because that is just an educated opinion. We won't know 100% untill later.



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Pemalite said:
EricHiggin said:


There is no mention of Jaguar or Puma in the CPU spec, even though Eurogamer said it is based on Jaguar. There is no mention of Polaris or GCN in the GPU spec, even though Eurogamer said it is based on Polaris. Its written down in such a way, that what stands out, is the difference in numbers between the two, and Scorpio easily wins that comparison.

There is a reason for that. Because that is just an educated opinion. We won't know 100% untill later.

Then why say Scorpio uses an evolved version of the Jaguar core in the video? They even compare it to its similarity with XB1. If its Puma then why not just say its a semi custom Puma? They obviously don't know 100% yet what it all entails, but if it wasn't Jaguar at its core, they wouldn't bother mentioning Jaguar at all. Same with Polaris. They mention that too.

I'm not bashing the hardware at all, its clearly strong for what it is and highly engineered, but the fact that the direct comparison to Pro leaves out Jaguar and Polaris just seems quite convenient.

Its just a smart thing all around. So many people were starting to think mobile Ryzen and downclocked Vega, me included, and putting that rumor to rest was important well before the full unveiling and E3. By not actually putting Jaguar, Puma or Polaris in the specs description, it not only stops people who think they know tech, from thinking its just the same old slow tech of the past, but also leaves the door open to tech illiterate people who heard it was some new high end Ryzen and Vega parts, potentially leaving them all dissapointed otherwise.

My main point was XB is at least getting back on the right path and seems to have a plan now, based on the road ahead itself, and not just what they want to turn that road into. This should hopefully stop the bleeding at the very least and allow them to finally make some headway. They can't win the gen, but making a strong effort to attempt a comeback in the 7th round should at least gain them some of that lost respect back.



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Here's my 5cents. Some years back, folks were saying there would not be new consoles afte PS3/XB360. Not lang ago, there were rumours that PS4 and XB1 are the last of the console gaming. Seeing now that we have both Sony and MS setiously competing with mid gen refresh, it is only good for the industry and gam ers in general.



EricHiggin said:

Then why say Scorpio uses an evolved version of the Jaguar core in the video?

Because it's been customized. I will take Eurogamers word for it though, it's Eurogamer afterall.

EricHiggin said:

I'm not bashing the hardware at all, its clearly strong for what it is and highly engineered, but the fact that the direct comparison to Pro leaves out Jaguar and Polaris just seems quite convenient.

Nothing wrong with providing constructive criticism of the hardware.

EricHiggin said:

Its just a smart thing all around. So many people were starting to think mobile Ryzen and downclocked Vega, me included, and putting that rumor to rest was important well before the full unveiling and E3. By not actually putting Jaguar, Puma or Polaris in the specs description, it not only stops people who think they know tech, from thinking its just the same old slow tech of the past, but also leaves the door open to tech illiterate people who heard it was some new high end Ryzen and Vega parts, potentially leaving them all dissapointed otherwise.

Before Eurogamer made it's position known on what CPU uArch it was going to use, I was firm on my belief that it was Jaguar/Puma/Puma+ powered. Having unrealistic hardware expectations in a cost-sensitive device is silly. - I ended up right on that front.

We knew it was either going to have high-clocked GDDR5X memory on a 192-bit memory bus. Or GDDR5 memory on a 384-bit bus and 12GB of memory from the original teaser. So it was good that we had realistic expectations on that front from the start.

Vega is what I wanted (Still do). No doubt about it. It's a massive improvement over Graphics Core Next in allot of aspects.



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Pemalite said:
Nem said:

What's the point of scorpio beeing powerful when its games are available on the pc which can be even more powerful and can have stuff that is on ps4 and pc only. I don't even know what the point of the xbox is anymore.

People usually use the "cost" argument of buying a console over a PC. Plus the "Convenience" angle. And we cannot forget controllers either.

What do you miss out if an Xbox game is on PC? Buy the game for the platform you wish to play on. Who gives a crap if it's exclusive, I hate exclusivity it limits where I can game.

outlawauron said:
Price is important. The GPU seems to be very impressive, but wasn't the CPU a bit less than expected? I haven't completely stayed current with console power epeen fights.

The CPU was exactly what was expected. People just ignored those who had an educated take on the topic and started to beat the Zen/Ryzen drum.

Too_Talls said:
A pc CAN be more powerful, but you'd likely spend more money on a more powerful PC than the console by far. so that's the point, it's always been the point o consoles in general, achieving the most power without breaking the bank to do so.

We don't know Scorpio's price yet. So don't start beating the price drum just yet. ;)

black8jac said:
So, Scorpio has the same CPU as PS4, clocked slightly higher. GPU with 40 GCN cores as oppose to PS4 pro's 36, also clocked higher. 12GB gddr5 vs PS4 pro's 8GB gddr5 +1GB ddr3, also admitteadly faster. Scorpio is definitely superior but it's not groundbreaking difference. We still don't know the price and there is not a lot worthy exclusives on Xbox platform. I think Sony is not loosing sleep over this.

No. The CPU has been customized lightly. It's not the same as the PS4 with a slightly higher clock.

The 40 GCN "cores" are more powerful per core than the PS4 Pro's.

The GPU and CPU has certainly deviated from the off-the-shelf parts and we will need to see some games to truly see how much of a difference Scorpio provides.

"The CPU has been customized lightly." - Maybe so, but what exactly were those modifications.


"The 40 GCN "cores" are more powerful per core than the PS4 Pro's." - I dissagree. Scorpio has 11% more GCN cores, clocked 28.5% higher. That's 1.11x1.285x4.2tflop(PS4pro)=5.99tflop(Scorpio). This gives exactly the same performance per core per Mhz in both cosoles.



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