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Bandorr said:
jason1637 said:

Im talking about MS teasing new games for this E3 not past E3s.

It's a HD port with improved graphics. 

https://ticgn.com/phantom-dust-480p/

So unless that has changed recently - it isn't even going to be in HD.

It probably changed.

https://twitter.com/PhantomDusted/status/848190115633647620/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fgamrconnect.vgchartz.com%2Fthread.php%3Fid%3D203618%26page%3D1581



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Too_Talls said:
I find it funny that the beginning of the generation was littered with digital foundry comparisons of 3rd party titles between the bone and the ps4, and resolution this, resolution that, and no props for Microsoft having the majority of exclusives at that time.

It was all good for everyone to be power hungry when ps4 was the most powerful console.........

Now...........none of that stuff matters........4k? no thanks.....1080 is fine with me.

The differnce is everyone now has 1080p TVs... not many have 4k TVs or plan to upgrade soon to it.

So there was a clear differnce in quality for basically everyone.

Then theres the fact that as you go up in resolution the improvements in terms of increased image quality run into deminishing returns.

Basically differnce below 1080p are bigger, than ones above it (meaning 1800p or 2160p, doesnt matter as much).

Differnt situations, so you can just go "now none of that matters", it still does, but to a lesser degree.

 

Also because MS puts most of its exclusives on windows,... people that want to play those games at 4k, have been able to do so on PC for along time already.

I like the design of the Xbox Scorpio, but Im not at all tempted to get one (I wasnt with the PS4pro either).

I have a 1080p tv and thats fine for me atm.



Pemalite said:
outlawauron said:
Price is important. The GPU seems to be very impressive, but wasn't the CPU a bit less than expected? I haven't completely stayed current with console power epeen fights.

The CPU was exactly what was expected. People just ignored those who had an educated take on the topic and started to beat the Zen/Ryzen drum.

 

Project Scorpio

The analyst’s warning comes on the same day that Microsoft MSFT revealed the technology inside its next Xbox system, codenamed “Project Scorpio.” Integral to the new console will be Microsoft’s new Scorpio Engine, a “system-on-chip” that was designed alongside AMD.

There were some rumors that Project Scorpio would feature AMD’s new Ryzen CPU technology, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. Last month, shares of slid after an unfavorable review of the Ryzen 7’s PC gaming performance.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=227479



jason1637 said:
Nem said:

It's not the same games. The PC has the multi-plats, the microsoft first parties, the ps4 exclusives exclusives that come out on pc and the PC exclusives. Unless theres some microsoft exclusive that you absolutely want to play on console, wich i would call a special case, i don't really see any value on an xbox vs a ps4 or a pc. Heck even a switch at least offers exclusives.

This is not an attack or anything, i am truly disappointed that MS got to the point where specs on hardware is all they've got to try and sell xbox scorpio on.

A PC with Scorpio capabilities would cost a lot more. The Scorpio is a way to get that true 4K gaming for a 400-500 price range. As for games MS has been teasing a better first party line up at E3 and i hope they deliver because they need more games to sell the console.

We have no idea how much the Scorpio will cost, so you really can't claim this.  Plus, you're going to need to compare it to the prices this holiday, not now.

If the Scorpio launches for $499, I'm pretty sure this holiday you'll be able to build a PC that is roughly the power of the Scorpio for that price.  It would probably have about the same GPU power, but you can bet it'll have a better CPU.



Machiavellian said:
I believe if your favorite games are 3rd party games then this is the system to get. I am happy with my PS4Pro but I still prefer the X1 UI, controller, 4K Blu Ray drive not to mention the X1 is my primary hub for other things besides games. So looking at how MS engineered the Scorpio, I am happy to give them my money. Along with my Elite Controller, MS will once again be my go to console for 3rd party games.

As for the Scorpio changing the market share of the Xbox vs the PS that is not going to happen. The system is definitely designed for the core xbox crowd. Its MS trying to claw back their userbase by going back to what made the 360 a top console. Now that the hardware part is out of the way, they can continue to concentrate on getting the right exclusives to their system and being the go to console for 3rd party games as well. I have to say that the moves Phill has made since coming on board and righting the ship have all been right on track.

I like the exclusives on both Sony and MS consoles, just means i'll be buying most multiplats on Scorpio and PC now too. PS4 Pro relegated to 100% Sony exclusives.

Its a big deal for me, since i don't like using Origin or UPLAY on PC due to the fragmented nature, MP and Achievements. I just enjoy that aspect more in a console environment where its more the MP community is more consistent, unified,  and you know what to expect.

For PC i stick mostly to SP games these days where i want to push the eye candy.

I too love the Elite controller and its my favorite to use. Play Anywhere titles are great too, so when the livinroom is being used, i can fire up the desktop and do my thing from where i left off.



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Mafioso said:

I like the exclusives on both Sony and MS consoles, just means i'll be buying most multiplats on Scorpio and PC now too. PS4 Pro relegated to 100% Sony exclusives.

Its a big deal for me, since i don't like using Origin or UPLAY on PC due to the fragmented nature, MP and Achievements. I just enjoy that aspect more in a console environment where its more the MP community is more consistent, unified,  and you know what to expect.

For PC i stick mostly to SP games these days where i want to push the eye candy.

I too love the Elite controller and its my favorite to use. Play Anywhere titles are great too, so when the livinroom is being used, i can fire up the desktop and do my thing from where i left off.

PC market isn't that fragmented if you stick to Steam.  I don't buy EA games so I would never download Origin.  Ubisoft has their own store on PC (UPLAY) or is that just to support their online games through Steam?  Sure there are a ton of stores but most PC gamers just stick to Steam.  I don't give a shit about any other store nor is there a need.   Sure I saw some games on humble bundle sale that I believe were on GOG store or whatever it is called.  Some old school games that I was semi interested in but I was like screw it I'm not downloading another store.  Oh and the Windows Store can go fuck itself.



sethnintendo said:
Mafioso said:

I like the exclusives on both Sony and MS consoles, just means i'll be buying most multiplats on Scorpio and PC now too. PS4 Pro relegated to 100% Sony exclusives.

Its a big deal for me, since i don't like using Origin or UPLAY on PC due to the fragmented nature, MP and Achievements. I just enjoy that aspect more in a console environment where its more the MP community is more consistent, unified,  and you know what to expect.

For PC i stick mostly to SP games these days where i want to push the eye candy.

I too love the Elite controller and its my favorite to use. Play Anywhere titles are great too, so when the livinroom is being used, i can fire up the desktop and do my thing from where i left off.

PC market isn't that fragmented if you stick to Steam.  I don't buy EA games so I would never download Origin.  Ubisoft has their own store on PC (UPLAY) or is that just to support their online games through Steam?  Sure there are a ton of stores but most PC gamers just stick to Steam.  I don't give a shit about any other store nor is there a need.   Sure I saw some games on humble bundle sale that I believe were on GOG store or whatever it is called.  Some old school games that I was semi interested in but I was like screw it I'm not downloading another store.  Oh and the Windows Store can go fuck itself.

Well thats a big problem with Ubi and EA still putting out high profile  AAA games, and being a large part of the 3rd party market. 

Bethesda, Rockstar and Eidos games i stick to Steam .

I don't mess with GoG either, hate having my stuff all over the place.

I have no issues with the Windows Store, its literally like having an extension of my XBO library available to play at higher quality and i dont pay for MP to play on XBL.



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Nem said:

It's a business. Exclusives are what makes consoles worth it. If there were no exclusives the console market would implode.

Can't agree with that. Microsoft is doing Okay. It certainly hasn't imploded like the WiiU which has a larger precentage of exclusives than the Xbox One.
The Xbox 360 did really well considering how much of it's library was multiplats.

Nem said:

The convinience is the only angle you got. Controllers you have on the PC, you can connect your PC to the TV and play it in your couch. I am a console gamer, i understand the convinience argument. But if it wasn't for all the latest exclusive games, i would not buy a console and would expand my PC instead.

Those aren't my arguments. Those are the arguments I hear console gamers use.

Besides. All your console games end up on PC eventually anyway.

But you still haven't answered my question. What do you loose if console exclusives were available on other platforms?

I can tell you what you will get... Developers and Publishers can sell their game to a larger audience, which means more copies of a game sold and hopefully a larger budget for the sequel, which results in better production values next time around.

ICStats said:

The ~10% boost in CPU over PS4 Pro surely doesn't live up to the Scorpio hype.

Scorpio's CPU advantage is larger than what the clockspeed numbers imply. - I thought people moved away from using "Megahertz/Gigahertz" after the Pentium 4 era to gauge performance? Lets not go backwards now.

dahuman said:

Just buy a fucking PC. Think about it. You already spent that money on the X1, and MS is not targeting new users with the Scorpio, so now you are going to spend that money again even if you get some money back from selling off the X1. Then there is XBL where you pay for annually, which is not a thing on PC. Just buy a decent fucking PC and get it over with lol.



Oneeee-Chan!!! said:

Project Scorpio

The analyst’s warning comes on the same day that Microsoft MSFT revealed the technology inside its next Xbox system, codenamed “Project Scorpio.” Integral to the new console will be Microsoft’s new Scorpio Engine, a “system-on-chip” that was designed alongside AMD.

There were some rumors that Project Scorpio would feature AMD’s new Ryzen CPU technology, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. Last month, shares of slid after an unfavorable review of the Ryzen 7’s PC gaming performance.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=227479

That's sad to see. AMD needed the big boost in support. But... I did call it early once we had engineering samples that Ryzen wasn't going to set the world on fire. In many instances Ryzen having single-threaded performance equivalent to that of a Core i5 was pretty much inline with expectations once ES chips landed over a year ago.



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Mafioso said:
sethnintendo said:

PC market isn't that fragmented if you stick to Steam.  I don't buy EA games so I would never download Origin.  Ubisoft has their own store on PC (UPLAY) or is that just to support their online games through Steam?  Sure there are a ton of stores but most PC gamers just stick to Steam.  I don't give a shit about any other store nor is there a need.   Sure I saw some games on humble bundle sale that I believe were on GOG store or whatever it is called.  Some old school games that I was semi interested in but I was like screw it I'm not downloading another store.  Oh and the Windows Store can go fuck itself.

Well thats a big problem with Ubi and EA still putting out high profile  AAA games, and being a large part of the 3rd party market. 

Bethesda, Rockstar and Eidos games i stick to Steam .

I don't mess with GoG either, hate having my stuff all over the place.

I have no issues with the Windows Store, its literally like having an extension of my XBO library available to play at higher quality and i dont pay for MP to play on XBL.

GOG is awesome and well worth investing in because it gives you the option to just download the installer, no DRM or issues. I dont want origin (though I installed it recently to replay ultima) and steam is my other service, but I dont want more. GOG is my preferred service because it sells older games.

So I wouldnt say gog is having stuff all over the place, you just download it and put it in a single folder, easy.



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I'm curious how BC-compatible 360-games will run on the Scorpio.

Some 360 games run a bit smoother on the original hardware, some run smoother on the Xbox One. If we get the best experience of BC-compatible 360-games on Scorpio (720p with rocksolid 30 or 60 fps even in titles problematic on the 360) or even some 360-games in 1080p (without buying them again like the uprezzed PS2 games on PS4) I might consider upgrading to the Scorpio.