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Just make bans more dynamic, instead of a general ban, make it possible that people get banned for the politics/Other platform discussions. A general ban leads only to an increase in fake accounts and at the same time you can make the bans harder for certain threads...

Ugh first time I said this was in 2007 =p.






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bdbdbd said:
FentonCrackshell said:
To be honest, I don't understand why people bring their politics into a video games website. You wanna discuss politics then there are a great many sites you can visit. Video game discussions themselves can create tension so why add politics into the mix? I'd never want to suppress anyone's opinion but it just seems like vgchartz isn't the best place to air your political grievances.

For one, videogame websites are nice and civil places to discuss politics. And a forum like this having people all around the world, can give you lots of different views you may have never thought of and you get to know politics in different parts of the world. Some people may be interested in discussing more mature topics than videogames. Then there's people that are everywhere just for the sake of spreading their political views.

If you understand why to discuss any non-game related topic on a videogames website, it shouldn't be hard to understand why people discuss politics on the same sites.

To an extent I can see why this holds true. But this site isn't the only site that serves a multitude of peoples from many nations. I don't really mind the political threads as I can usually tell the tone of the argument from the heading itself. But there are some users who solely post political threads on this site. Why do to a gaming site and never talk about gaming? That makes no sense to me. But I'd never want to suppress anyone's opinion and it sounds like that's what I'm trying to infer. There's nothing I hate more than when I go to a website and see "this comment has been moderated" in place of the actual comment posted. If you think it's so bad leave it up there for all to see. I never report anyone's comments on anything. No matter how reprehensible I think it is.



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One could consider deleting posts for using specific incendiary phrases like libtard, fascist, moron, Hitler-comparisons, idiot, commie etc. These terms never add meaningfully to any conversation and it would pacify the political threads.



FentonCrackshell said:

To an extent I can see why this holds true. But this site isn't the only site that serves a multitude of peoples from many nations. I don't really mind the political threads as I can usually tell the tone of the argument from the heading itself. But there are some users who solely post political threads on this site. Why do to a gaming site and never talk about gaming? That makes no sense to me. But I'd never want to suppress anyone's opinion and it sounds like that's what I'm trying to infer. There's nothing I hate more than when I go to a website and see "this comment has been moderated" in place of the actual comment posted. If you think it's so bad leave it up there for all to see. I never report anyone's comments on anything. No matter how reprehensible I think it is.

As I said, some people are everywhere doing nothing but spew their political bias. As long as the conversation is civil, on topic and not "hit and run" tactics, I don't really have issue with them.

Bandorr said:

So you mean you want to ban people from the forums? If you get banned for a political issue - you get banned from just the politics forum?

Wouldn't they then try to "force the issue" by making the same argument in regular forums?

After which they would get a general ban. At which point they will create fake accounts and do it all over again?

If someone is willing to make a fan account for getting banned - won't they do that no matter if it is a general ban, or a one forum ban?

The logic is, that some people can't have civil discussion on certain topics, while they can on others. I'm more frequent in gaming and Nintendo discussions, and see some people having harder time having a mature discussion in Nintendo area, that they do on gaming. Same goes for political views. And no doubt the situation isn't any different in different topics.

numberwang said:
One could consider deleting posts for using specific incendiary phrases like libtard, fascist, moron, Hitler-comparisons, idiot, commie etc. These terms never add meaningfully to any conversation and it would pacify the political threads.

Technically I could agree with some of your examples, but I definately wouldn't go on to ban actual political views, like faschism or national socialism any more than chauvinism or feminism. 



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StarOcean said:
Just get rid of political topics in general. They're fucking awful. I mean, they're fun to mess with people in -but more often than not they turn into pools of shit. I've advocated the banning of political threads since forever and will until it happens.

I agree, it's a gaming site not a political one. And with the current tension going on in the political world it's best to set it aside. 



UnderstatedCornHole said:
CGI-Quality said:

Yes, and it's even worse when some users act as if they're entitled to behave that way (or antagonize other users into battles). This is why I say we refine the rules and keep certain people out of political topics altogether. That way, those that want to reasonably express themselves (or discuss a topic) are free to do so.

You know very well that translates to banning anyone on the right and leaving the liberal left to circle jerk in political heaven.

That's not honest politics.

I'm not saying it's bad from a social perspective but if you are going to do that then just get rid of it altogether.

There's way more right-wingers here than leftists. There are many centrists, But people like me are a minority.



Arminillo said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Would that actually be possible? Ban certain users from threads in the politics section but not elsewhere?

So like sn opinion ban? Maybe just for 90 days until the mods can come up with a new strategy for those who hold controversial opinions.

Wait, so people like me would get banned merely for having an opinion different from the norm? Being a communist/anarchist, I would surely be one of the targeted people, even if it is supposed to against the far-right.



JustcallmeRiff said:

Shaming and ridicule is the only way to combat "alternative facts". When the president can deny photographic evidence of his inauguration and he can deny scientific evidence of global warming. This emboldens many people. You cannot regulate or moderate them, you must ridicule them, shame him back into the Shadows.

I agreed that there needs to be a serious effort to combat "alternative facts" as this stuff goes above just being difference of opinion and can literally cause damaging misinformation to many things. I only worried that doing it by "shaming someone into submission" can often have the reverse effect and make someone just double down on what they think out of spite or hatred as a result of it and possibly never open up to reasoning, instead using it to say "look at how all these bad people attacked me for yada yada yada" and group them all up like that which can also fuel others who believe them.

Edit: I've edited this comment to rewrite it as to more accurately portray what I meant to say at the time, as the original was poorly worded. 

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