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Barkley on 29 January 2017
Alkibiádēs said:
Barkley said:

That's kind of hillarious, how many of the greatest Nintendo titles actually rely on these "innovations".

Super Mario Galaxy? No

You use the IR pointer to collect star bits, you can shoot the star bits at enemies as well, you waggle the Wii mote to perform the spin attack, and you use motion control for the star ball levels and surfing on the manta ray. There's even more, but that's the general gist. 

Breath of the Wild? No

That's a launch game which is a Wii U port. It was going to make use of the two screens of the Wii U, but Aonuma decided to scrap that idea after they decided on a Switch port. The other Zelda games on the Wii U made use of the two screens though. 

Mario Kart? No

You can control Mario Kart with the motion control. 

Pokemon? No

Pokémon is made by Gamefreak, not Nintendo. 

Animal Crossing? No

Animal Crossing makes use of street pass. 

Fire Emblem? No

Almost every Nintendo game would be perfectly viable on ps4/xbo/pc.

If Nintendo had actually innovated in any meaningful succesful way in the past decade maybe Reggie would have some sort of a point, but regardless he avoided the main question and didn't address what's best for Nintendo itself once. The debate was a joke.

And you ignore many games that do make good use of these innovations like Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Warioware, etc. 

RELY on these innovations, not USE them in any capacity.

You CAN use motion controls in Mario Kart, you certainly don't need to, infact I believe the majority would agree motion controls is the worst control method available.

My point was that all of Nintendo's major games do not require "gimmicks" or "innovations" to be fantastic titles. Super Mario Galaxy could have still been just as good without having IR pointing or Waggle motions as part of it. There are of course exceptions ot the rule, like some of the ones you listed. Wii Sports at least, but for the most part the greatest Nintendo games aren't made great because of Motion this or Infrared that.



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thismeintiel on 29 January 2017
Barkley said:
Azzanation said:

So you prefer to miss out on features and just have cheap PCs instead..

Features such as? What has Nintendo really done in the past decade that's so great? Nothing I can think of that I care about.

Regardless that assumes that if Nintendo stopped making hardware there'd never be any advancements made in gaming technology... oh wait shareplay.... VR.... Online Parties.... multi-touch....

Nintendo leaving hardware would not stop innovation. Amongst Mobile Hardware Manufacturers, Sony, Microsoft, Logitech, Razer, Oculus, and many other companies that may or may not exist yet, I think gaming hardware advancements would be covered should Nintendo dedicated themselves to software. 

 Regardless I'm more than content with gaming hardware as it is, it's software that needs to be innovated, not hardware.

Don't forget your console is now a streaming device, too.  No need for a capture card. 

The thing you have to remember about quite a few Nintendo fans is they believe only Nintendo innovates and others just copy.  Of course, most true innovations occured during the first two gens of gaming, before Nintendo even entered the market.  Since then, for the most part, we have really just been improving on old tech/ideas.  Whether it be analog sticks, motion control, online gaming, etc.



 

jonathanalis on 29 January 2017

Man, i think the console companies should help more each other...
I mean... what if there is an old nintendo game on ps and xbox systems? or demos?
Or also, an old ratch and clank game on xbox and nintendo systems. At the end of the game :'want more? buy a ps4', and a cool ps4 marketing video.
or is just my utopic mind, where every player would have the 3 systems...



jonathanalis on 29 January 2017
Barkley said:
Alkibiádēs said:

And you ignore many games that do make good use of these innovations like Skyward Sword, Metroid Prime Trilogy, Splatoon, Super Mario Maker, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Warioware, etc. 

RELY on these innovations, not USE them in any capacity.

You CAN use motion controls in Mario Kart, you certainly don't need to, infact I believe the majority would agree motion controls is the worst control method available.

My point was that all of Nintendo's major games do not require "gimmicks" or "innovations" to be fantastic titles. Super Mario Galaxy could have still been just as good without having IR pointing or Waggle motions as part of it. There are of course exceptions ot the rule, like some of the ones you listed. Wii Sports at least, but for the most part the greatest Nintendo games aren't made great because of Motion this or Infrared that.

Maybe the majority that didnt play splatoon.(or newer versions of zelda games). Aiming on motion controls is perfect for me. Spend feeling like a stormtrooper on xbox analog sticks trying to aim, and I only started to get it right on gyro motion control.

The other only method that I can manage was mouse on a PC. Also, the best control method (at least for aiming) is mouse. And mouse is nothing more than motion controling a plastic in a table, so is motion control.



Barkley on 29 January 2017
jonathanalis said:
Barkley said:

You CAN use motion controls in Mario Kart, you certainly don't need to, infact I believe the majority would agree motion controls is the worst control method available.

Maybe the majority that didnt play splatoon.(or newer versions of zelda games). Aiming on motion controls is perfect for me.

That comment was specifically about Mario Kart.



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Ljink96 on 29 January 2017
Xxain said:
Ljink96 said:
Damn, Reggie went off when listing the industry standards Nintendo has set. People can't deny this. People like to compare Nintendo and Sega and say that Nintendo will "Dreamcast" themselves out of the market but Sega has nowhere near a track record as Nintendo. They'll survive. They've survived this long, they'll most likely outlive all of us on the forum. As long as people buy their hardware and they're making money off said hardware, they'll make hardware.

Yes SEGA does. The thing about SEGA is that their greatest accomplishments are tied to the arcade scence. 

Listen dude, I love Sega but they're no Nintendo. The Arcade scene was short lived in the US, sure it's going strong in Japan but Arcades are really on the bottom of the totem pole right now. We're talking about a company that revolutionized an entire industry and their work is still being copied/implemented in tech today. Sega's nowhere near as wealthy as Nintendo, their IP can't touch Nintendo's, their hardware innovations are second to none. All I'm saying is yeah Sega has done a lot but nowhere near as much as Nintendo has done.



bdbdbd on 29 January 2017
Barkley said:
Ljink96 said:
They aren't playing it safe, it works sometimes and it bombs other times. That's how companies grow and stay alive.

But other then the Wii & DS is there any other standouts where taking risks actually worked?

Every home console other then the Wii released by Nintendo has sold less then the previous...

It just feels like ever since the Wii Nintendo have decided they need to "Innovate" and make some kind of change to input and how we play games. To the point that it seems forced. Watching the Switch reveal it just feels like they're trying to recapture the magic-in-a-bottle they hit with the Wii.

There were NES and Gameboy. The thing is, that every time Nintendo did their own thing (whatever it was at any point of time), they've been successful. 



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Eikä Japanisti.

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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

bdbdbd on 29 January 2017
Cobretti2 said:
Barkley said:

Wow I'm amazed. I had absolutely no idea this thing existed. It's really confusing how Nintendo could go from being SO far ahead of the times to suddenly seeming like a company that is having trouble keeping up with the modern world in that regards.

I think tha was part of the problem. Because non of those things when they tred become mainstream successes (ie vidoe image capture, online gaming).

They probably thought it would never take off and stppped trying to puh them each gen.

Sayig all that they should have realised in the gamecube era when xbox online took off that the should be focusing on improving the experince. THis has been frustrating. Taking to long to adopt after something has become mainstream.  

Wii's online was surely an improvement over the Xbox one. Too bad Wii U was a huge step back - I'd hoped they'd be improving upon.

The 80's and 90's you relly never knew when the internet took off. Basically the cost was the issue holding online play back - this did change when broadband internet became available.

rjason12 said:
DannyDesario said:

Gotta love nintendo fans hiding behind daddy PC in the comments. Just like Sony guys did last gen with valve games and mass effect. "Nintendo has games you can't get on other platforms, I can get everything on PC" Instead of acknowledging Nintendo has bad 3rd party.  Anyways, it would be cool to see them go 3rd party IMO since they're good devs and bad hardware manufacturers.  

Gotta love the constant "Nintendo go third party threads". I've  been hearing this nonsense for 15+ years, and from what I've heard, it's been like that for years before. The fact is that people want their games. They're just upset that they have to buy another console for it. I can guarantee that if Nintendo put out a console similar to the competition with the same features, online, and games. People still wouldn't buy their console s due to brand loyalty. There has always been a "kiddie" stigma behind Nintendo, that keeps people from buying their consoles. I'd compare it to how kids act in school, they don't want to be different and be made fun of, just like people don't want to be made fun of for gaming on Nintendo. Can't tell you how many times I have been treated like shit just because of the video game system I own, like they think they're better than others because of their choice. But you guys have to deal with it. If you want their games, buy their consoles, just like if Nintendo gamers want uncharted or halo, they have to buy those consoles.

Actually Nintendo put out two consoles similar to competition: Gamecube and Wii U - nobody was interested in them.

Barkley said:
jonathanalis said:

Maybe the majority that didnt play splatoon.(or newer versions of zelda games). Aiming on motion controls is perfect for me.

That comment was specifically about Mario Kart.

The motion controls are perfect for Mario Kart. The only controls I've used to play MK since they were introduced on Wii.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Cloudman on 29 January 2017

Admittedly, he didn't really do a good job defending his position, but he did make some good points. The company has done quite a number of cool innovations for the industry, and if they were to quit the console business, I feel we'd lose out on other possible ideas they could think of next.



 

              

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DannyDesario on 31 January 2017
rjason12 said:
DannyDesario said:

Gotta love nintendo fans hiding behind daddy PC in the comments. Just like Sony guys did last gen with valve games and mass effect. "Nintendo has games you can't get on other platforms, I can get everything on PC" Instead of acknowledging Nintendo has bad 3rd party.  Anyways, it would be cool to see them go 3rd party IMO since they're good devs and bad hardware manufacturers.  

Gotta love the constant "Nintendo go third party threads". I've  been hearing this nonsense for 15+ years, and from what I've heard, it's been like that for years before. The fact is that people want their games. They're just upset that they have to buy another console for it. I can guarantee that if Nintendo put out a console similar to the competition with the same features, online, and games. People still wouldn't buy their console s due to brand loyalty. There has always been a "kiddie" stigma behind Nintendo, that keeps people from buying their consoles. I'd compare it to how kids act in school, they don't want to be different and be made fun of, just like people don't want to be made fun of for gaming on Nintendo. Can't tell you how many times I have been treated like shit just because of the video game system I own, like they think they're better than others because of their choice. But you guys have to deal with it. If you want their games, buy their consoles, just like if Nintendo gamers want uncharted or halo, they have to buy those consoles.

I never said they should go 3rd party.  I said it would be cool.  Which it would.  I don't care about Nintendo fortunately.  They should just make a console that should be able to be a primary console for their fans, not for me.  Why would anybody buy a console if there aren't any games to play.  Nintendo guys wait months for a game because of lack of 3rd party.  All I want is for Nintendo fans to get a good console.    I would buy it just to let them know they're meeting standards.  They don't even really deserve a "good job" or pat on the back for having an ethernet port, HDD, analog triggers or meeting a generations hardware standards.



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