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Aerys said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
I'm so tired of people actively hyping up ports. Ports. I know that Nintendo does a lot of shit, and I know that The Legend of Zelda, Pokemon, and even at one time Mario himself have remasters...but ports of 1-3 year old games to hype up a new console? Pathetic. I don't care if Stars prints them money, or if Mario Kart 8 is easier to port than to make a new game. I'm a consumer and if Nintendo really just came out and put all these ports onto the system to make them system sellers, they deserve to fail. Seriously.

You took words out of my months, it surprises me how people will br okay if 95% of Switch line up are ports ... Itd show à big laziness from Nintendo who didnt deliver on WiiU, theyre supposéd to have a lot hidden exclusive projets for Switch ready

Oh my gawd, an enhanced port of a two-month old game that a lot of people still don't have, what are you thinking Nintendo?



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Alkibiádēs said:

So how well did Wii U Sports Club sell? Or Wii Fit U? Nintendo didn't abandon the Blue Ocean, the Blue Ocean crowd abandonned Nintendo. 

Wii Sports Club is just a quick cash-in port of Wii Sports, where you just buy all the Wii Sports sports one by one. Wii Fit U is sadly pretty much one of a kind on the system. If you were the blue ocean audience on Wii, there's virtually nothing for you on the Wii U.



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Wyrdness said:
bdbdbd said:

MK8 isn't regarded one of the best. Where did you get the idea? If it was, it would sell better. It's not like were talking about some hidden gem nobody's ever head of here, but one of the highest profile games there is, and a sequel to one of the best selling games of all time.

Wii U's notable releases all fell short of expectations. It was like PS3, that was supposed to have a new game that would be it's saviour each month - only for a game after another not living up to hype or just being plain bad otherwise. Wii, on the other hand, had quite a good list of games for the core Nintendo audience, as well as the new audience, during the first, and the second, year of it's life.

Wii U games are mediocre at best. It just makes no sense to try to excuse games that aren't good. I have a feeling this group of Wii U apologists you see every now and then are the same people who were jerking in the ring around Gamecube, at the same time it was crashing and burning. 

It is regarded as one of the best your whole it would sell better argument is quite frankly the most flawed argument anyone can put forward as one the game has outsold the majority of games this gen on the smallest userbase and is one of the best selling games this gen and two the are many high quality games out there that don't sell as much because of numerous factors, sorry mate this argument has no ground.

Wii U games aren't regarded mediocre at best both critics and players say the games are either really good or solid for most part the problem with the Wii U is nothing more than what I mentioned above with droughts and poor handling, I think what this whole case here is you just trying to pass off your own personal opinion as a fact.

NOBODY that I know of is calling Wii U games good or solid. Haha. There may be certain number of apologists saying so, but normal people and gamers, no.

No, if MK8 was a good game, it would move Wii U's. 



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bdbdbd said:

NOBODY that I know of is calling Wii U games good or solid. Haha. There may be certain number of apologists saying so, but normal people and gamers, no.

No, if MK8 was a good game, it would move Wii U's. 

So media outlets and people who have actually played them aren't normal people and gamers?

Just accept your opinion is not gospel on this one than trying to attempt damage control and insulting people mate as I've seen people recieve warnings for less.



Wyrdness said:

So media outlets and people who have actually played them aren't normal people and gamers?

Just accept your opinion is not gospel on this one than trying to attempt damage control and insulting people mate as I've seen people recieve warnings for less.

Yeah. I don't think the media outlets are normal people or normal gamers. There don't seem to be that many people that have actually played the games, not to mention people who have played them beyond the first impression.

Hiku said:

Pretty sure I read they have more critically acclaimed games above 90 on Metacritic than on any other current gen system.

Mario Kart 8 - 88
Smash 4 - 92
Mario 3D World - 93
Pikmin 3 - 87
Bayonetta 2 - 91
Legend of Zelda Wind Wakewr HD - 90
Super Mario Maker - 88

Etc.
If you haven't heard praise for most of Nintendo's WiiU games, I don't know what to tell you.
Most of Nintendo's biggest titles were not tied to the Gamepad, coincidentally. Besides Star Fox.

As for why a large amount of the Wii crowd went to mobile, I suggest reading one of the many articles on the subject.
But basically, the low entry point and gimmic of the Wii appealed to people who normally don't games. Soccer moms got Wii Fit to get in shape, and the way you play Wii Sports appealed to people who were never invested in consoles or conventional controllers.
On mobile, these easy access, free to play, easy to play games are there in your face, aggressively promoted through social media and the app stores, for free, on a device you already own and use every day. That's why you have 3 Billion downloads for Angry Birds. Yeah, Billions. With a B.

Well, why not tell me then where can I find this praise. By looking at the real world, nobody seems to care about Wii U, and by looking at the message boards, nobody seems to care about Wii U. Yet, it's supposed to have insanely good games that everybody likes.

There was Starfox and Splatoon, and if I recall, quite a few other games was using the controller as a mandatory controller, at least for multiplayer.

And what might the articles be? Are they made by the Wii crowd or who? I'm personally in the Wii crowd - just like many of my friends - and I really don't see how the free games on mobile would appeal to the Wii crowd in general. Yeah, the mobile games are free but that's just about it. It's not the waste of money were talking about, but waste of time. The soccer moms that were playing Wii Fit to get fit, which games they are now playing on mobile to get fit? Why would Angry Birds appeal to them, but not Splatoon? If there are 3 billion Angry Birds downloads, what's the point in making games like Call of Duty, as COD obviously don't sell the amount of Angry Birds downloads. And, how do you play games like Wii Sports on mobile?

The industry AAA games are not good enough for the Wii audience. We demand better.



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bdbdbd said:
Wyrdness said:

So media outlets and people who have actually played them aren't normal people and gamers?

Just accept your opinion is not gospel on this one than trying to attempt damage control and insulting people mate as I've seen people recieve warnings for less.

Yeah. I don't think the media outlets are normal people or normal gamers. There don't seem to be that many people that have actually played the games, not to mention people who have played them beyond the first impression.

Hiku said:

Pretty sure I read they have more critically acclaimed games above 90 on Metacritic than on any other current gen system.

Mario Kart 8 - 88
Smash 4 - 92
Mario 3D World - 93
Pikmin 3 - 87
Bayonetta 2 - 91
Legend of Zelda Wind Wakewr HD - 90
Super Mario Maker - 88

Etc.
If you haven't heard praise for most of Nintendo's WiiU games, I don't know what to tell you.
Most of Nintendo's biggest titles were not tied to the Gamepad, coincidentally. Besides Star Fox.

As for why a large amount of the Wii crowd went to mobile, I suggest reading one of the many articles on the subject.
But basically, the low entry point and gimmic of the Wii appealed to people who normally don't games. Soccer moms got Wii Fit to get in shape, and the way you play Wii Sports appealed to people who were never invested in consoles or conventional controllers.
On mobile, these easy access, free to play, easy to play games are there in your face, aggressively promoted through social media and the app stores, for free, on a device you already own and use every day. That's why you have 3 Billion downloads for Angry Birds. Yeah, Billions. With a B.

Well, why not tell me then where can I find this praise. By looking at the real world, nobody seems to care about Wii U, and by looking at the message boards, nobody seems to care about Wii U. Yet, it's supposed to have insanely good games that everybody likes.

There was Starfox and Splatoon, and if I recall, quite a few other games was using the controller as a mandatory controller, at least for multiplayer.

And what might the articles be? Are they made by the Wii crowd or who? I'm personally in the Wii crowd - just like many of my friends - and I really don't see how the free games on mobile would appeal to the Wii crowd in general. Yeah, the mobile games are free but that's just about it. It's not the waste of money were talking about, but waste of time. The soccer moms that were playing Wii Fit to get fit, which games they are now playing on mobile to get fit? Why would Angry Birds appeal to them, but not Splatoon? If there are 3 billion Angry Birds downloads, what's the point in making games like Call of Duty, as COD obviously don't sell the amount of Angry Birds downloads. And, how do you play games like Wii Sports on mobile?

The industry AAA games are not good enough for the Wii audience. We demand better.

 

You do realize how aggregate review sites work, right? They take the reviews of all the major gaming press and produce an average. Most also include user reviews, which tells you what your average joe thinks of the games. To say that Nintendo has the biggest ratio of highly-rated exclusives goes without saying... though even Sony and Microsoft's execs often put that into words.

Just because the Wii U was a financial failure does not mean that it didn't have some of the best games of the generation. Just think about music and cinema. Many of the best films and albums are flops on their initial release. Popularity depends primarily on market trends, advertising, and how easily digestible that content is to the widest denominator - not the quality of the content.



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StuOhQ said:
bdbdbd said:

Yeah. I don't think the media outlets are normal people or normal gamers. There don't seem to be that many people that have actually played the games, not to mention people who have played them beyond the first impression.

Well, why not tell me then where can I find this praise. By looking at the real world, nobody seems to care about Wii U, and by looking at the message boards, nobody seems to care about Wii U. Yet, it's supposed to have insanely good games that everybody likes.

There was Starfox and Splatoon, and if I recall, quite a few other games was using the controller as a mandatory controller, at least for multiplayer.

And what might the articles be? Are they made by the Wii crowd or who? I'm personally in the Wii crowd - just like many of my friends - and I really don't see how the free games on mobile would appeal to the Wii crowd in general. Yeah, the mobile games are free but that's just about it. It's not the waste of money were talking about, but waste of time. The soccer moms that were playing Wii Fit to get fit, which games they are now playing on mobile to get fit? Why would Angry Birds appeal to them, but not Splatoon? If there are 3 billion Angry Birds downloads, what's the point in making games like Call of Duty, as COD obviously don't sell the amount of Angry Birds downloads. And, how do you play games like Wii Sports on mobile?

The industry AAA games are not good enough for the Wii audience. We demand better.

 

You do realize how aggregate review sites work, right? They take the reviews of all the major gaming press and produce an average. Most also include user reviews, which tells you what your average joe thinks of the games. To say that Nintendo has the biggest ratio of highly-rated exclusives goes without saying... though even Sony and Microsoft's execs often put that into words.

Just because the Wii U was a financial failure does not mean that it didn't have some of the best games of the generation. Just think about music and cinema. Many of the best films and albums are flops on their initial release. Popularity depends primarily on market trends, advertising, and how easily digestible that content is to the widest denominator - not the quality of the content.

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StuOhQ said:
bdbdbd said:

Yeah. I don't think the media outlets are normal people or normal gamers. There don't seem to be that many people that have actually played the games, not to mention people who have played them beyond the first impression.

Well, why not tell me then where can I find this praise. By looking at the real world, nobody seems to care about Wii U, and by looking at the message boards, nobody seems to care about Wii U. Yet, it's supposed to have insanely good games that everybody likes.

There was Starfox and Splatoon, and if I recall, quite a few other games was using the controller as a mandatory controller, at least for multiplayer.

And what might the articles be? Are they made by the Wii crowd or who? I'm personally in the Wii crowd - just like many of my friends - and I really don't see how the free games on mobile would appeal to the Wii crowd in general. Yeah, the mobile games are free but that's just about it. It's not the waste of money were talking about, but waste of time. The soccer moms that were playing Wii Fit to get fit, which games they are now playing on mobile to get fit? Why would Angry Birds appeal to them, but not Splatoon? If there are 3 billion Angry Birds downloads, what's the point in making games like Call of Duty, as COD obviously don't sell the amount of Angry Birds downloads. And, how do you play games like Wii Sports on mobile?

The industry AAA games are not good enough for the Wii audience. We demand better.

 

You do realize how aggregate review sites work, right? They take the reviews of all the major gaming press and produce an average. Most also include user reviews, which tells you what your average joe thinks of the games. To say that Nintendo has the biggest ratio of highly-rated exclusives goes without saying... though even Sony and Microsoft's execs often put that into words.

Just because the Wii U was a financial failure does not mean that it didn't have some of the best games of the generation. Just think about music and cinema. Many of the best films and albums are flops on their initial release. Popularity depends primarily on market trends, advertising, and how easily digestible that content is to the widest denominator - not the quality of the content.

No, the aggregate review sites aren't giving you an average, they put more weight on certain reviews than they put on others.

Why would an average Joe go to a VG review site and rate the game? I don't get it. Especially when it's the average Joe who could not care less about the game he supposedly reviews.

Well, I don't disagree with you about the relative quality of Wii U games, I'm repeating here that the games just aren't good. They may be less bad than the rest of the industrys AAA games, but even if your shit does not smell as bad a everyone elses, it still is shit.

That's not quite the thing with popularity.



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Hiku said:

I thought I did show you where the praise is, so I take that as you not being aware of what Metacritic is?
In that case, it's a site that compiles reviews from a number of reputable review outlets, and displays an average review score based on all the reviews.
So if for example Eurogamer, IGN, and Gamespot gave Zelda a 93 score, and The Guardian and Gamereactor gave it a 70, it would have an average of 83.
It's pretty hard to get above 90 these days because there are usually some reviewers who lower the average significantly. Both Final Fantasy XV and The Last Guardian for example ended up on 82. So the fact that Nintendo has several 90+ games, means that they are in fact critically acclaimed as very good games.
http://www.metacritic.com/

And yeah, Splatoon is indeed also a game that needs the Gamepad.

As for articles about the Wii crowd, they've been written by industry analysts and gaming journalists alike. It was a phenomenon that intrigued the whole gaming world. The fact that you are here, posting on this forum, means you are probably not part of that Wii crowd that we're refering to. They were not the only ones who bought the system, after all.
The basic reason as to why they're more interested in Angry Birds than Splatoon is that games like that are free, or very cheap, to download on a device they already use every day. To get Splatoon they need to pay $250+. And since they generally don't have a gaming background, it's difficult to entice them without a message that resonates with them, such as how you played Wii Sports and Wii Fit.

Wii Fit for Wii sold 22.7 Million
Wii Fit for Wii U sold 0.85 Million.

Nintendo are still chasing that ghost from the past, but it seems like a lost cause to try to pry them away from their Candy Crush Sagas on their phones, or Farmville on Facebook, etc. It simply suits them better in most aspects.

Oh, but I am that Wii crowd. I'm here back again because of the interest in Switch. It's not like I wasn't away for five to six years just because I didn't care about the forum, but didn't care about the games after Nintendo started killing the Wii. 

You don't obviously understand how business analysis work. They aren't analysing the market, but where the actual investments in the industry are going: trying to guess where the investors are putting their money next. It doesn't really matter who's buying and why, as long they're buying. If you'd understand the consumer space, you would not be an industry analyst, you'd be one of the guys buying the analysis. And gaming journalists have no idea what the market is in the first place. Anyone who followed gaming media back in the Wii days knows it. 

Why would anyone interested in Angry Birds would be interested in Splatoon? I know one is free and the other is not, but that has nothing to do with being interested in something. Could you explain? Why Candy Crush or Farmville would suit them better? It was you who said so, and I'd like to know why? Otherwise that's just blowing hot air.



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Nautilus said:
Even if Stars is true, Im 99% sure we wont see it at this event.It is way too close to the Sun and Moon release, and could easily be an E3 game to release on the holiday.That way Pokemon fans dont feel burned by this.

Nice call. Pokemon has not been mentioned so far.



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