Forums - Sales Discussion - Final Fantasy XV total shipments top six million

Gamma626 said:
Boutros said:

Literally no one in this thread fit the bill..

In fact you won't find a community that understands shipped vs sold better than VGC.

I don't know about that.  I've been here years and frankly I'm surprised most people here have the intelligence to type, let alone hold a controller.

Not saying people here are smater (lol) just that the nature of the website (which has been sharing sell-through estimates since it started) has made the community more aware of the nuances and differences between shipped vs sold.

But actually I do believe people here are smarter than NeoGAF. And that's all that matters.



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Boutros said:
Firefoxie said:

That's why they haven't said how much they ACTUALLY sold??? It's been over a month now. I'm not interested in how many units shipped and in my opinion if it sold that well SE would be bragging about copies sold not units shipped. 

Square Enix doesn't have access to those kind of numbers especially only a month after release (except digital sales I would assume). All they know is what retailers tell them about the amount of stock left. Square will use NPD numbers for sell-through in North America when they come out but until then they don't know. It's not like SE has an internal market research team (at least not one as big as NPD or GfK Chart-Track). So yes they will stick to shipped numbers because that's the only info they know for sure. Also shipped numbers are naturally bigger than sell-through numbers however good sell-through numbers might be. So that information is often favored PR-wise. And not only by SE but by most companies out there. So I don't understand why you're raising your pitchfork here?

Hmmm that's strange cause a month after RE6 came out Capcom knew exactly how much they sold both physically and digitally. The same for the Reboot of Tomb Raider. Its also funny you say that cause, there were sales numbers for FFXV in Japan a few weeks after it released. Hell, there were threads on this site about it. I believe at the time it only sold roughly 700k. I'm sorry, but I think they'd know within a month what the sales figures were.



Gamma626 said:
Boutros said:

Literally no one in this thread fit the bill..

In fact you won't find a community that understands shipped vs sold better than VGC.

I don't know about that.  I've been here years and frankly I'm surprised most people here have the intelligence to type, let alone hold a controller.

Yeah cause don't you know that when something is shipped it automatically sells directly to the customer?! There's no such thing as back stock, it's a myth. Just like a unicorn.



Firefoxie said:
Gamma626 said:

I don't know about that.  I've been here years and frankly I'm surprised most people here have the intelligence to type, let alone hold a controller.

Yeah cause don't you know that when something is shipped it automatically sells directly to the customer?! There's no such thing as back stock, it's a myth. Just like a unicorn.

Is the passive aggression really needed?  People know this. However, a lot of shipments is still a good sign. Square Enix has already made their money from these above average shipments. As far as I know, they make the real money from their shipments. The stores are the ones that benefit from actual sales. This will motivate them to make FF16 (not that they need the motivation but it's still a good thing for the company). High shipments also indicate that it's in demand. The more stores sell, the more they'll request. Sometimes initial shipments can be misleading when judging demand when a games extremely overhyped and the stores think it'll sell, but Final Fantasy XV has shipped an adittional one million which implies it kept selling enough to warrant additional shipments. Sales are important, but shipments are too.



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Firefoxie said:
Boutros said:

Square Enix doesn't have access to those kind of numbers especially only a month after release (except digital sales I would assume). All they know is what retailers tell them about the amount of stock left. Square will use NPD numbers for sell-through in North America when they come out but until then they don't know. It's not like SE has an internal market research team (at least not one as big as NPD or GfK Chart-Track). So yes they will stick to shipped numbers because that's the only info they know for sure. Also shipped numbers are naturally bigger than sell-through numbers however good sell-through numbers might be. So that information is often favored PR-wise. And not only by SE but by most companies out there. So I don't understand why you're raising your pitchfork here?

Hmmm that's strange cause a month after RE6 came out Capcom knew exactly how much they sold both physically and digitally. The same for the Reboot of Tomb Raider. Its also funny you say that cause, there were sales numbers for FFXV in Japan a few weeks after it released. Hell, there were threads on this site about it. I believe at the time it only sold roughly 700k. I'm sorry, but I think they'd know within a month what the sales figures were.

I'm confused about what you're saying... You don't know that Media Create, Famitsu and Dengeki release weekly sell-through numbers in Japan but you call out people on their ignorance about shipped vs sold numbers..

And the Tomb Raider number we got was nearly two months after release. By then NPD and other market research firm came out. That's where Microsoft took their info.

And I don't know what RE6 numbers you're talking about.

Just so you know NPD releases monthly and isn't out yet for December. It's coming out in 2 days.



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Turkish said:
squibbfire said:

yeah 10 mil is gonna be a easy target for them...FFXIII got around that and it wasnt anywhere near as good...

FF13 is at 7.5M with Steam sales included.

tbone51 said:

Game looks like it sold well in US and had a good holiday in japan but it doesn't necessarily mean they sold threw the 5mil shipment. An additional 1mil in the month of dec could mean a number of things though it does point out the game is still selling (my point being its not guareteed 5mil)

Well they sold thru the 5M otherwise retailers wouldn't need another batch of discs. Supply and demand.

Well going by the source they state that the game has reached over 6 million including digital and retail shipments, so there's definitely some playing fast and loose with these numbers for marketing sake of how well the game is doing...



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Solid-Stark said:
So would you guys say it lived up to the 10 year hype?

No...but to be honest that would be impossible. Do I think it delivered and lived up to the legacy of Final Fantasy? Yeah. I would say it hit the quality standard needed to stand shoulder with the rest of the Final Fantasy's. I would say overall this ranks in the middle of the pack for Final Fantasy's but like Episode VII sometimes you need to play it safe in order to rebuild confidence.



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Firefoxie said:
It's crazy that a lot people can't tell the difference between sold and shipped....not the same thing.

It's crazy that some people don't understand that you don't ship out up to an extra 1 million units in the span of one month unless the game is selling enough to warrant it.



Ruler said:
Ka-pi96 said:
How does that compare to FF13?

Hopefully the better game (13) wins out in the end.

How was 13 better?

The better question is, how wasn`t it?



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