No i disagree, there are many complaints people can make about the game, like the story being told poorly, some characters getting almost no screen time despite being very important to the plot, which also means that some characters didnt got the development they needed, etc.

But even then i wouldnt say its a bad game, not even close to it... it had potential and it failed to reach it but it was still a fun game to play, and as far as im concerned no game thats truly crap has been fun to play for me.

No first game in the series that I've enjoyed since FFX. After the irredeemable trash that was XIII, it was refreshing. Is it great? No. Flawed? Absolutely. However I found it enjoyable.

is everyone EVER in agreement when a thread title is like this? No chances are not everyone agrees with you

After Chapter 9 the game has gotten so much better...and more linear too. Funny that.

Still, I think it's too far on to redeem itself, I'll just ride out the ending and enjoy it as much as I can.

I would honestly argue that there hasn't been a genuinely "upper tier" FF game since IX on PS1. That is a subjective opinion of course, and I didn't experience XII much. But I felt X and especially XIII were fairly awful.

What I wish they would do, is ditch the quasi steam/cyberpunk anime direction the series has gone in since FFVII, and do a fullblown reset, back to the early days, when there was a lot more FANTASY in Final Fantasy. FF I-VI, in my humble opinion, were amazing (FFII being the weak entry of that lot). FFIV is still my fav. rpg of all time. I would very much AT LEAST like to see them go back to the early steampunk but still very fantasy style of VI. Though my dream FF game, would be a more full-blown fantasy setting like IV. I can dream, I guess.

After playing the demo I strongly disliked it. My fiancé bought it the week it came out despite disliking the demo as well. He went into the game with an open mind, but left very angry and disappointed. I watched him play it here and there. Everything from the story, characters, side quests, and battle system was just a mess. The more he played it the more pissed off he got. He said it was the worst FF game he's ever played including FFXIII & FFXIII-2. He only made it chapter 3 (20 hours total time played) before he couldn't take it anymore and took it back to gamestop. Honestly, I agree. Speaking for myself only, I think it is the worst game in series and one of the worst games of this gen.

Yes and no, mostly yes.

I have played like 70 hours. Just recently beat the game. Sadly I'm probably going to keep playing some cause my completionist attitude wants me ot get legendary weapons, and other things. Luckily combat is very enjoyable imo.

But damn is the story a freaking disaster. Now the overal plot isn't bad, it was just executed insanely bad. Side characters and side plots are completely thrown to the wayside. Let's look at some characters in the story. Spoilers below.

Emperor: If you didnt' watch movie, you get like what 1 whole scene in the entire game he is in. (along with two others in that cutscene never scene outside of it) Next time we see him, we just see his empty clothes. I'm assumign that dracula thing we fought multiple times going up the building was him. But really that's it. The seemingly "bad" guy of the game is shown ONCE in a weak cut scene.
Next Luna's brother. Again ignoring the movie (which he isn't in much anyway) you have him show up ONCE and basically there to kill you. He is in that Emperor scene being ordered to kill his sister. Then we see a flashback of him and his sister where she says to give noct a chance. Next we see he is dead with the kings sword for some reason. how did he get the sword. Why did he come around so much. Based on all interactions we seen and the movie, there is no reason he should have switched sides. As with other plot points, you can read a few scattered notes on teh floor.
Which brings up a huge flaw. The dead empty soldiers entire plot is only explained if you read these freaking random notes laying around a building.
Then the merc. She shows up to to fight you, then leaves saying "mercs don't work after hours" Uh, what clock. DId the emperor say you have only 4 hours to kill him, if you can't leave? The scene was 100% at dark time, so clearly it's not a day/night thing. But ignore that. The rest of the game she just instantly is just a buddy then.
I coudl go on, but the premise is that sooo soo many of characters just falt out ignored, plot points abandoned, huge missing details going from A to B. Basically the game was rushed as soon as you left the main land. It went into pure linear hallway mode like FF13, yet at least 13 had a fleshed out story. This one was like they were rushed and didn't have time to do things so they threw them into notes and tossed them randomly on the floor. Or had a character explain them all in dialogue. Such as the 10 year telling you whats all happened in 10 years. (most pointless timeskip ever)

OH and when you touch the crystal with Notcis, the soundtrack was WAY TOO LOUD. I could not understand/hear a single word that Ardyn said during his big exposition reveal.

Oh as for DLC, I'm assuming the dlc showing what the 3 main characters did while tehy were "away". I dont' mind that DLC. None of those moments are important imo. They just let us see what we know happened basically. What they need to release (and for free) is stuff showing how Luna's bro changed, what happened to him. What happened to emperor, what happened to ect. Showing in a cutscene the stuff on the notes explaining the MT's, ect. You know, make this story not a mes of missing stuff.

The game just felt like you were reading a book, say Lord of the Rings. You read book 1 as is. The actual big book of hundreds of pages. Then for book 2 and 3 you read the wikipedia entry for the plot. Heck, that is giving this game too much credit. Wikipedia woudl explain some of the stuff better.

In conclusion. THere is a good story there, it's just they didn't have time to finish it. Big joke, seeing as this game was announced 10 years ago

It's... meh. I mean, it has some good ideas, but storytelling is awfully bad, the last half is rushed as fuck, the main plot is lacking... I think it got better reception than it deserves tbh.

The Order: 1886 - over in 6 hours = bad
FFXV - 100+ hours of content = bad

Seems legit.

I find the trend of "more hours, better game" worrying. It has nothing to do with a game's quality. I think that Journey is a way better game generally speaking than FFXV for example.