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Dark_Feanor said:
walsufnir said:

What are the changes done to Jaguar in the Pro?

Probably optmisations and small fixes.

He made a comparison so that it looks like both have the same CPU and modifications but Scorpio is only clocked a little bit higher, that's why I'm curious.



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Very exciting. They thought of everything. Killer clock speed and memory bandwidth. Vapor chamber cooler in a CE device? 

Architecture drops CPU rendering load by 1/2 on DX12 renders, 60 specific targeted customizations in the GPU pipeline...this is where consoles built to render do more with less than a gaming PC.

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Zekkyou said:
Dark_Feanor said:
$499 is a good price.

4k
Faster loading
BR 4k
Bigger HDD

It is not a hard sell
You can sell your XOne for 199, keep all your games and pay the same price as a Nintendo Switch.

$399 would be insane.

It is a good price for what you're getting, but so is $350 for a Pro. I think $450 should be their target.

I can honestly see either the regular pro or a new pro slim model being sold for $299 by the time scorpio launches.  If it's being sold for $449 or $499 it won't stand a chance.  

 

Microsoft need this to launch at $399. Not sure if that's possible. 



Aura7541 said:
Dark_Feanor said:

That is my perseption based on news and Youtube. I also don´t see it very high on Twitch.tv ( right now it has half the viewers of MEA).

I´m talking about mindshare and influence going foward with the public.

ME:A has multiplayer. HZD is strictly a singleplayer game, so this is not an apples-to-apples comparison.

It also released 3~ weeks later.

I'm not really sure why Mass Effect would be used as an example anyway. Zelda has held pretty well (2k viewers after a month for a single player game isn't bad), but Mass Effect has dropped like a rock on Twitch. Its mixed reception had a pretty negative impact on viewer interest.



Kerotan said:
Zekkyou said:

It is a good price for what you're getting, but so is $350 for a Pro. I think $450 should be their target.

I can honestly see either the regular pro or a new pro slim model being sold for $299 by the time scorpio launches.  If it's being sold for $449 or $499 it won't stand a chance.  

Microsoft need this to launch at $399. Not sure if that's possible. 

I mean it's not impossible, but i doubt we'll see the Pro hit $300 that quickly. A $450 Scorpio vs a $350 Pro should be MS's target in my opinion. I don't see the Scorpio tearing up the charts (not while a $250 PS4 and X1's exist), but i could see it doing better than the Pro at $450.



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Cpu is a very big bottleneck just like PS4P. May be they can sell it for 450$ ?



 

Kerotan said:
Zekkyou said:

It is a good price for what you're getting, but so is $350 for a Pro. I think $450 should be their target.

I can honestly see either the regular pro or a new pro slim model being sold for $299 by the time scorpio launches.  If it's being sold for $449 or $499 it won't stand a chance.  

 

Microsoft need this to launch at $399. Not sure if that's possible. 

It's Microsoft. Loss-leading is their original mantra.



RJ_Sizzle said:
Well, in the end, it sounds like a good console in specs, and better than the Pro for sure. It was overhyped to death though with all the Zen/Vega rumors. I see what Phil Spencer meant now in saying that if you don't have a 4k TV, buying this console isn't a priority. Still, definitely for those Xbox guys that wanted a more powerful Xbox One at least.

I can see the very customized hardware making things more expensive production wise, but I still expect them to eat the cost and sell it at $399. Just to try and "catch up" so to speak. Mainly in the home market.

Originally Posted by Digital Foundry

With some PS4 Pro titles, we've been vocal in our criticisms of game modes locked to specific display types. If a title has a high resolution mode, 1080p display users should get super-sampling - something that doesn't always happen, even on Sony first party games. Part of Microsoft's commitment to the 1080p user is that super-sampling is mandated - if a Scorpio title runs at a higher resolution, it must downsample for full HD screens. Similarly, in-game frame-rates must be the same or faster than standard Xbox One titles. Hopefully we'll actually see smoother performance.

At the hardware level, Microsoft is confident in the quality of the scaler built into Scorpio's display processor. It's enhanced over the Xbox One S equivalent to "handle the bandwidth and quality requirements of 4K", using a high quality six-tap vertical and horizontal Lanczos filter. Compared to a native 1080p output on Xbox One, super-sampling is a great feature to have: anti-aliasing quality is second to none, the same texture filtering quality improves with more resolution (for a given screen area, the texture is sampled more) and art is richer owing to the use of more highly detailed texture assets.

Microsoft's insistence on 1080p supersampling is actually more inclusive than it sounds, and it's good news for users of all screens. There have been instances of PS4 Pro games with higher performance 1080p modes only accessible if the front-end is set to a full HD output - No Man's Sky and The Last Guardian are two examples of this. If your Pro's set to 4K instead, you might never even know that an alternative, higher performing mode exists. With Scorpio, all game modes - resolution, performance or otherwise - must be available to all users regardless of the display the console is attached to. This philosophy reflects a long-held Digital Foundry view, and hopefully PS4 Pro titles will also follow suit.

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Well... seeing DF's take, if they launch this update at 500$ its dead in the water. Nowhere near the massive powerhouse some expected it will be. Lets hope that by E3 we will have some games announced for it, otherwise Sony will again wipe the floor with them...



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So question...
If the Scorpio has no exclusives and I dont really care about 4k, is there a reason to upgrade from my launch Xbox One?