just playing devil's advocate here, but shouldn't we have a higher standard for police officers than we do for random civilians? you know, the whole 'to protect and serve' thing...

also, the police shooting thing seems to be a very US centric issue, there are no such issues in Europe with the police escalation to deadly force at the slightest perceived infraction.

absolutely 100% agree on that. it's almost as if arming every single person in the entire country will not make the population more safe somehow...

Hint: Most of these terrorist do not come from either Syria or Iraq. They are mostly born in the west to their immigrant parents from either North Africa or Pakistan. And the reason they turn out the way they do is because Europe has been for the last 60 years a beaon of left wing pussified, limp wristed policies which would rather see people not be branded as racist by far left SWJ sub human cunts than actually stop rampant migrant crime, terrorisam and refusal to assimilation.

So the real war is in our own countries, first and foremost against militant muslims but also against the treacherous, disgusting self loathing limp wristed, pussified far left idiots who enable these militants and protect them from any criticism or initiative by branding everyone racist.

I was responding to your religious comment just to make the point you might be insulted by non-religious people but in countries where religion dominates non-religious people die because of the acts of religious people. An extremely contrasting position. 

I would of thought this very thread topic shows the danger of religious views that go unchallenged

So are you saying our education system needs work? Because during you whole rant, the only logical conclusion I came up with, is that our education/intergration system needs work. 

Because if it isn't the people who come from other countries, but actually people who are born here and transformed into monsters, than maybe it is the intergration of individuals in society that is the problem. 

Also try being a bit more level headed (Anger is a fine emotion, but you lose your points if all you do is insult the other side). 

PS: I am all for assimilation, but not anti-migration. 

There's nothing wrong with challenging religious views, I just don't appreciate going into a thread about a horrific tragedy and then being called "mentally infant". This isn't a thread about religious discussion, if it was I would never have entered it in the first place.

In France we have 10.000 people classified as radical and potentially dangerous muslims. so, that's 1 to 500 muslims, 2%, and that's a lot, including only known people. So, let's say it's not acceptable that your family is at risk of dying in the hand of a crazy islamist. And let's say that there is no way to stop a single guy from renting a truck and play carmageddon IRL. How do you solve the problem ? Or are you telling me, it's OK to not solve the problem, you don't care ?

Well, let's just all agree the problem is Islam.  When you have a person of any other religion commit crimes, not only are they not done in the name oof God, but the vast majority of the others in their faith disown them and their actions.  Not the case in Islam.  It is true there are quite a few moderate Muslims, but until they are the majority AND Sharia Law is done away with forever, Islam will remain a problem.

Firstly where did you get that figure from? France has an estimated Muslim population of 4.7m people.
(http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/5-facts-about-the-muslim-population-in-europe/)

10,000 is less than 0.2% of the muslim population. On top of that 10,000 is not a reliable figure on actual dangerous people, which why the vast, vast majority of that 10,000 figure commit no terror related crimes. Imagine using your same logic to deter rapists, mass shooters, domestic abusers. You'd essentially have to get rid of the male sex.

Secondly, I obviously care very much about the issue france and many other countries face but I'm not going to support ridiculous ideas just as a knee jerk reaction. If you care you should acknowledge that trying to get rid of a whole population of people (4.7m) is not only out of the realms of reality, it would also instigate racial and religious warfare on a scale that is simply not present in the current western world, which will make the country more dangerous, not safer. We also have to face the likely reality that solving the problem is a long term, generational effort, not some singular law which you put into place. How do you solve the problem of murder, rape, violence? 

I agree that the ideology is the problem. It's the ideology that has to be attacked, not the people. Other religions have their problems too, but this specific one is extremely problematic in the modern world. As an example, it would have been a big problem if during the inquisition and crusades christianity had access to 21st century weaponry and we would all be complaining about it (I hope).

Wahabism and the Saudi funding of those teachings are one of the main reasons why this violence has escalated so strongly since the cold war. There is plenty of blame to be shared, like the US support of Islamic fundamentalism when it was convenient, to fight proxy wars against the USSR. Now the chickens have come home to roost and we are all the worse for it.