Forums - Politics Discussion - Where Police/African American Relations Went Wrong (A Working Explanation?)

spurgeonryan said:
Yes profile. I hope people do not think police want to lose their job and that they are racist.

African Americans have caused all of this. Cops are so afr aid of being shot that everything is out of control. Just look at the Chicago situation, Chiraq!, cabrini green, Almost as much city devastation as Detroit, and all mostly due to poor African Americans. It's a fact in case anyone wants to call me racist. What got them to this point is irrelevant, they make these choices. It's never the poor whites or Hispanics or Indians in the news here. Just the African americans. In the Chicago area we live in terror of them.

I am really sorry to say, but that is the case. I have no ill will toward anyone and have had many good times with all races. In fact, my best friend in the military was black.

Stop blaming cops for everything...Long story short.

Thank you for the honest post.

This interests me a lot. Now, I think the OP gave an absolutely superb analysis of the main explanation of the cops versus blacks relationship and problem, and it's a shame there isn't more awareness of this, and it's such a shame that many people really believe that racism is prevalent in society, and in the other direction; that people believe that black people are inherently prone to crime.

But now I got curious about how whites perceive black people with regards to crime and the risk of being a target. There's not so much written about it cos it's a bit sensitive.

So could you elaborate plz on this? For example how do people talk about going late at night and how they choose where to go? Do u ever tell each other not to go alone? Are you afraid of thugs? How big parts of the metropolis do you feel is too risky and when? Do u also fink normal people are intimidating to some extent? Is it easy to spot the persons who are dangerous or u are afraid of everybody?

Anything u can tell plz and anybody else please reply for that matter. And perspective from any black person is super interesting.

And obviously take care to express yourself politely and in a sensitive, respectful matter.



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spurgeonryan said:
Yes profile. I hope people do not think police want to lose their job and that they are racist.

African Americans have caused all of this. Cops are so afr aid of being shot that everything is out of control. Just look at the Chicago situation, Chiraq!, cabrini green, Almost as much city devastation as Detroit, and all mostly due to poor African Americans. It's a fact in case anyone wants to call me racist. What got them to this point is irrelevant, they make these choices. It's never the poor whites or Hispanics or Indians in the news here. Just the African americans. In the Chicago area we live in terror of them.

I am really sorry to say, but that is the case. I have no ill will toward anyone and have had many good times with all races. In fact, my best friend in the military was black.

Stop blaming cops for everything...Long story short.

When you feel the need to write that to justify your comment, you should probably re-evaluate the comment you wrote in the first place.

Why do you think a black man with no criminal record whatsoever was the one who pulled this off?

Not long after the previous 2 police shootings, some Nashville cop (with 8 years on the force no less) said probably in jest he would have shot the guy in Minnesota 5 times instead of 4.  Do you think that kind of rhetoric from a cop no less helps the situation when folks are trying to come to terms with why a presumed innocent man got shot in front of his 4 year old? Do you think the black people who have been accosted by him would feel justified that they were right to think it was all unfair after hearing that? Things is police pretty much never get any punishment after cases like those 2 shootings. I expect no less from the latest cases. Worst they will get would be slaps on the wrist. Just watch.

Blacks gangsters  in Chicago kill other blacks in the overwhelming majority of cases not cops or white people so what do you think the latter groups are purportedly scared of? Whats funny about comments like yours is folks like you never stop to realize that even the most dangerous black neighborhoods in Detroit or Chicago you can think of have white people who have lived there all their lives. For proof as clear as day, look no further that a famous celebrity called Eminem. There is no such thing as a pure black neighborhood. In many cases, others live there and have done so for years.

What caused all of this is a historic vicious cycle and to deny this is to fail to see the full picture. Historically, blacks got no justice in this country and then taught their kids to expect none who taught their kids to expect none and onwards till today. I hope I do not have to explain why this is the case.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Parts 2 and 3 are the biggest issues. If black Americans stopped worrying momentarily about why the police profile them, and start worrying about why their fathers abandoned them as children they might find a solution to the former.



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Maybe if people stopped going to assumptions so suddenly, these issues can be solved in a civil manner.


We live in a world where if a criminal who is black is killed by a white police man, people will automatically support the criminal and act as thougu the police man is evil


We need to learn to consider the facts first. Even I sometimes do it. If we learned to read before assuming, then many situations wouldn't escalate so quickly



 

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hershel_layton said:
Maybe if people stopped going to assumptions so suddenly, these issues can be solved in a civil manner.


We live in a world where if a criminal who is black is killed by a white police man, people will automatically support the criminal and act as thougu the police man is evil


We need to learn to consider the facts first. Even I sometimes do it. If we learned to read before assuming, then many situations wouldn't escalate so quickly

I see you didn't consider the other side. You assumed  "criminal"  and assumed the deceased were "evil" without knowing the full story first either and you do not see why that is a problem I'm sure. Even then, being a "criminal" does not justify street execution. I hope you understand that.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

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Dark_Feanor said:
Violence in the USA is droping at a consistent rate since the 90s.

I don't think anything went wrong if you look at the hard cold data from the past and today. The chances of a black man being killed a cop is ridiculously low, specialy if you are not doing anything wrong.

Worst of all the "Black Lives Matter" movement does not accept more reasenable explanation for the discrepancy in deaths by the police. Almost the same way the man-woman "Wage Gap" is a fabrication of natural tendencies in human behaviour than an institutionalized rule of the patriarchy.

Police work is probaly one of the worst jobs any one could choose. You are exposed to the worst of human kind every day, your life is in danger and you are despised by part of the public. Add to that corruption and it's realy surprising that only a minority of police workers do bad things.

Great post. Don't agree with it 100% but close enough.



So many racist comments here I don't even feel like replying, but it's a problem the Police created and them can solve. Police get away with killing black people very easily, that's the problem. They need to be held accountable for their acts. If they are scared of black people they should find a different job, because their job is to protect everyone, including the ones they kill without even ask.

And saying you have black friends does not make you less racist.



Pristine20 said:
spurgeonryan said:
Yes profile. I hope people do not think police want to lose their job and that they are racist.

African Americans have caused all of this. Cops are so afr aid of being shot that everything is out of control. Just look at the Chicago situation, Chiraq!, cabrini green, Almost as much city devastation as Detroit, and all mostly due to poor African Americans. It's a fact in case anyone wants to call me racist. What got them to this point is irrelevant, they make these choices. It's never the poor whites or Hispanics or Indians in the news here. Just the African americans. In the Chicago area we live in terror of them.

I am really sorry to say, but that is the case. I have no ill will toward anyone and have had many good times with all races. In fact, my best friend in the military was black.

Stop blaming cops for everything...Long story short.

When you feel the need to write that to justify your comment, you should probably re-evaluate the comment you wrote in the first place.

Why do you think a black man with no criminal record whatsoever was the one who pulled this off?

Not long after the previous 2 police shootings, some Nashville cop (with 8 years on the force no less) said probably in jest he would have shot the guy in Minnesota 5 times instead of 4.  Do you think that kind of rhetoric from a cop no less helps the situation when folks are trying to come to terms with why a presumed innocent man got shot in front of his 4 year old? Do you think the black people who have been accosted by him would feel justified that they were right to think it was all unfair after hearing that? Things is police pretty much never get any punishment after cases like those 2 shootings. I expect no less from the latest cases. Worst they will get would be slaps on the wrist. Just watch.

Blacks gangsters  in Chicago kill other blacks in the overwhelming majority of cases not cops or white people so what do you think the latter groups are purportedly scared of? Whats funny about comments like yours is folks like you never stop to realize that even the most dangerous black neighborhoods in Detroit or Chicago you can think of has white people who have lived there all their lives. For proof as clear as day, look no further that a famous celebrity called Eminem. There is no such thing as a pure black neighborhood. In many cases, others live there and have done so for years.

What caused all of this is a historic vicious cycle and to deny this is to fail to see the full picture. Historically, blacks got no justice in this country and then taught their kids to expect none who taught their kids to expect none and onwards till today. I hope I do not have to explain why this is the case.

Everybody should note that Spurge is a bit upset when he writes that post and that it's a bit of a heat of the moment way to express himself.

That people say "I'm not racist because I have a black friend" is perfectly justified. It sounds banal, stupid and unintelligent, but we have to realize the reason why it is said. It's because the culture in our society is such, that people are so afraid of being accused of being a racist and the majority of people feel unfomfortable by the thought that somebody only suspects you of even a little racism, since racism by far is the most stigmatized concept in the whole world and deemed the biggest sin in Western society. Sensitive topics like race relations are often accompanied by accusations of racism.

So it's a quick way to try to prove you are not this horrible thing called a racist and deflect these accusations and stop the race card from flying in your face.



Pristine20 said:
hershel_layton said:
Maybe if people stopped going to assumptions so suddenly, these issues can be solved in a civil manner.


We live in a world where if a criminal who is black is killed by a white police man, people will automatically support the criminal and act as thougu the police man is evil


We need to learn to consider the facts first. Even I sometimes do it. If we learned to read before assuming, then many situations wouldn't escalate so quickly

I see you didn't consider the other side. You assumed  "criminal"  and assumed the deceased were "evil" without knowing the full story first either and you do not see why that is a problem I'm sure. Even then, being a "criminal" does not justify street execution. I hope you understand that.

I never said the recent people shot were evil. Heck, we don't have the entire story 

 

I was simply staring how society thinks. 



 

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Slimebeast said:
Pristine20 said:

When you feel the need to write that to justify your comment, you should probably re-evaluate the comment you wrote in the first place.

Why do you think a black man with no criminal record whatsoever was the one who pulled this off?

Not long after the previous 2 police shootings, some Nashville cop (with 8 years on the force no less) said probably in jest he would have shot the guy in Minnesota 5 times instead of 4.  Do you think that kind of rhetoric from a cop no less helps the situation when folks are trying to come to terms with why a presumed innocent man got shot in front of his 4 year old? Do you think the black people who have been accosted by him would feel justified that they were right to think it was all unfair after hearing that? Things is police pretty much never get any punishment after cases like those 2 shootings. I expect no less from the latest cases. Worst they will get would be slaps on the wrist. Just watch.

Blacks gangsters  in Chicago kill other blacks in the overwhelming majority of cases not cops or white people so what do you think the latter groups are purportedly scared of? Whats funny about comments like yours is folks like you never stop to realize that even the most dangerous black neighborhoods in Detroit or Chicago you can think of has white people who have lived there all their lives. For proof as clear as day, look no further that a famous celebrity called Eminem. There is no such thing as a pure black neighborhood. In many cases, others live there and have done so for years.

What caused all of this is a historic vicious cycle and to deny this is to fail to see the full picture. Historically, blacks got no justice in this country and then taught their kids to expect none who taught their kids to expect none and onwards till today. I hope I do not have to explain why this is the case.

Everybody should note that Spurge is a bit upset when he writes that post and that it's a bit of a heat of the moment way to express himself.

That people say "I'm not racist because I have a black friend" is perfectly justified. It sounds banal, stupid and unintelligent, but we have to realize the reason why it is said. It's because the culture in our society is such, that people are so afraid of being accused of being a racist and the majority of people feel unfomfortable by the thought that somebody only suspects you of even a little racism, since racism by far is the most stigmatized concept in the whole world and deemed the biggest sin in Western society. Sensitive topics like race relations are often accompanied by accusations of racism.

So it's a quick way to try to prove you are not this horrible thing called a racist and deflect these accusations and stop the race card from flying in your face.

I did not call him a racist? Surely you understand that not every internet post about what kind of friend a person claims to have is true right? This is not to suggest that the guy in question is a liar but that one has to view internet claims with skepticism especially when invoked to back up a comment. If he said I have black friends on a fire emblem thread, that will be viewed with less skepticism than feeling the need to say so on this type of thread.



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler