Forums - Politics Discussion - Is it time to worry about Austria? - UPDATE: Austria remains independent

Today I learned about something that shocked me. At the moment Austria has elections for its new president, the first round was on last Sunday. You may know me from other politics threads as a convinced non-voter and someone who doesn't care about politics, so that's why it took a few days until I picked up the news. Anyway, the results of the first round of the presidential election show that the FPÖ's candidate won comfortably (35% of the votes, second place came in at 21%, third at 19%). The FPÖ is basically the equivalent of Germany's AfD, so in the most basic terms it's the nazi party. The two parties who have traditionally ruled in Austria (SPÖ and ÖVP) saw their candidates come in fourth and fifth place (out of six). That's bad enough on its own, but when you consider that the sixth candidate is a dude that people would only vote for giggles, then it's really, really, really bad. The second round of elections (three weeks from now) will only concern the top two of the first round.

What's interesting about Austria is that its president has the right to call off the currently elected government and that doesn't even require the mention of a specific reason. So if the nazi FPÖ guy wins the election, he could do just that (because the current government isn't ordering Austria's military to shoot refugees or something like that) and we would get new elections for that other thing. Then the FPÖ keeps riding its current wave of success and gets the power, expands their business to Germany and you can imagine the rest.

But instead of behaving like a Nintendo fan who is furious because of the umpteenth delay of a Zelda game, let's think about this reasonably. Why did the FPÖ's candidate win anyway? Keep in mind how little I care about politics, so don't read my explanations as irrefutable facts.

1. I am sure you've heard of the refugee crisis in Europe. It has been a great tool to garner votes for nazi parties in many countries to bank on the hatred against refugees.

2. The interesting stat that I have in front of me is that 2016's election had 68.5% of eligible voters making use of their right, as opposed to only 53.6% in 2010. (Presidential elections are held every six years in Austria.) So not only has the refugee crisis swayed previous voters to switch, but it also got a lot of non-voters to come out of the woodwork.

3. I think it's reasonably to assume that there is a large rift between people who vote FPÖ and those who don't. This means that the FPÖ gets all votes of likeminded people while the remaining votes are distributed among the rest of the parties. So when the second round of elections is reduced to just the top two candidates, the FPÖ guy won't get many more votes than before while his rival should be able to pick up a large chunk of the people who voted for neither of the top two in the first round. So the horror scenario that Austria might join Germany yet again is implausible.

Conclusion: I am not going to vote. Not worth my time.

Thoughts?



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If the FPÖ guy turns out to win the final election after all, and your single vote would've made the difference, would you regret not having voted?

Please don't commect on how this is unlikely and won't happen. I don't care. Answer the specific question I asked, or don't answer at all.



if we were living in the 1940's, sure, we can be scared.

But do you think Nazis would actually be capable of doing anything in today's world?



 

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Good idea. Voting in modern representative democracies on the national level is a sick joke. It is only one level above Panem et Circenses, but at least in the first scenario you are entertained and fed, voting gets you nothing.



Teeqoz said:
If the FPÖ guy turns out to win the final election after all, and your single vote would've made the difference, would you regret not having voted?

Please don't commect on how this is unlikely and won't happen. I don't care. Answer the specific question I asked, or don't answer at all.

That's difficult to answer. On one hand it would be regretable if my vote could have made the difference, but on the other hand I'd love to see these clowns humiliate themselves by forcing new elections and still not getting anything done.

You know, I only learned about the results of the election because it was on a German satire show. They showed a short part of an FPÖ campaign video.

*shows Austrian landscape*
Narrator: "Austria's future is looking bleak. The country is facing a flood of refugees."
*cut to a girl with big tits who stands in a swimming pool*
Girl: "The water is already reaching to our necks." (A German expression that means as much as "it's now or never".)

I have to say that's an awesome campaign, but it also demonstrates how the party's main target demographic are simpletons. I won't translate the following, but I want to post it regardless.

Schlechte Rechtschreibung zieht Gesindel an. Darum ist die FPÖ, wie sie ist.



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"Is it time to worry about Austria?"

Totally, man. Those guys totally pwned everyone in their qualifying round group. I'm starting to worry about them winning EURO 2016.



It's like we are living in a time where we are on the brink of world destruction. On that note, you must watch a series called The Brink. It has Jack Black and the dude from Shawshank.

Imagine the next 6-8 years is we have Trump in America, Boris Johnson in the UK and the party you are on about in Austria and their equivalent in Germany.

Need to find a place on earth that has WiFi and that is safe from all these warmongers in the east, west and everything in-between.



Whoever said life to be like a box of chocolates clearly didn't know what he was talking about. 

Life is more like a game of bumper cars. At every turn there is a possibility you will get screwed.

Its blatantly clear you are way to pc sensitive and unable to have a legitimate talk about this since you are calling them nazis, typical leftist strategy when lacking honest argument of merit and quality. Nazis is something the far left is closer to then the right. Shows exactly why voters are moving towards the right. The inability of the left to own up to and use facts see the truth and deal with actual issues with honesty.

The inability to look at issues honestly like the migrants and the pathetic why the left has been dealing with them and turkey is exactly why the right is getting record votes.

The pendulum of honesty and truth has swung towards the right (kinda sad), i see it as the biggest reason the right is getting so much votes. Plus the lack of intelligence on the left calling anything that differs with them racism hatred and especially intolerance hilariously enough since the lest has become the most intolerant of all.

No you should be far more worried about the pro rape anti semantic truly racist lbgt haters anti women culture Merkal has imported to Europe by the millions, you should be more worried about those with signs Sharialaw for all death to freedom and democracy then the right.

Austria is just fine, actually better them most. Either the right gains some power or this forces the left to be honest about the issues and actually deals with them (closing the border was the first correct step). Its win win.



I have knowledge of Austrian politics but I am not a huge fan of accusing people of being Nazis, there is so much more to being a nazi than being nationalistic and anti-immigration.



Nothing to see here, move along

Maybe its because germany had a stupid policy of allowing anybody in! Guess it didn't work out well...



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