Some of these games could really benefit from a reboot

Like Mario Party, for example

A Pokemon Stadium remake would be awesome too, better than another Colosseum/XD

The fact that Nintendo are not showing anything for E3 and skipping the holidays makes me question whether or not they have a good amount of software ready for the NX.

Why because you just don't want to acknowledge it as you have no rebuttal for it? It's not rocket science, fiscal year is March to March right, first fiscal year is literally the launch window, late November to March, when all the early adoptors made their purchase. Second fiscal year is after the launch period from March 2013 to March 2014, it has the worst performance and guess what was meant to be the system seller throughout most of it? NSMBU, using data on this very site most of the sales of F2 came from the period WWHD, 3DW and Wii Party were released indicating their impact and highlighting my point that other games had more pulling power for the platform.

It's not hard to understand, if you're still struggling to wrap your head around it then the's no helping it just move on and don't reply.

From November 2012 to July 2013, the only major 1st party titles were NSMBU & Nintendo Land which both launched in November.

From August 2013 to May 2014, Pikmin 3, Luigi U, Wind Waker HD. Wii Party U, 3D World, Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart released and a price cut happened with many new bundles.

Please explain to me based on that how you can clain 3D World had a greater effect.

It's starting to come across as if you're deliberately trying not to understand for the sake of your argument, I've highlighted that data on this very site showing the performance of hardware when certain games are release.

Pikmin 3, NSMLU and the bundles arrived Q3 when hardware performance was still at its worst and the baseline was even dropping (at points was below20k), performance picked up when WWHD arrived causing a spike of 70k in October and as I pointed out earlier 3DW caused the biggest spike for the platform since launch for a good number of weeks, along with WWHD and WP their releases influenced the baseline increasing. What about Mario Kart you were banging on about Fiscal years now jump to a game released in F3, it itself casued a further baseline increase it adds to my point other games are better system sellers and have more influence. Let me break it down

- Throughout F2 NSBMU and NL were the main 1st party IPs for the majority right.

- It was the worst performing Fiscal for WiiU right.

- Data from this site shows the majority of sales coming in the last 3 months of the Fiscal, the period WWHD, 3DW and WP.

- Plus the baseline increased after this period.

 - Pikmin, the bundles etc... that came in Q3 had little impact if any at all looking at performance data on this site.

- We know F1 was the console's first 3 months where early adopters make their purchases.

Now put all this together, from data you yourself posted the worst period was the one where the so called system seller you are touting NSMBU was the main show, it took the arrival of the highlighted games to boost performance and don't come back and give me that "but but 3DW..." malarky because I'm flat out comparing NSMBU against all other big names and looking at it individually they had an impact while NSMBU's lack of draw was covered up by early adopters early on.

This is why NX is launching with Zelda and not NSMB NX, the NSMB series is a userbase seller and not a system seller.

the worst period you are talking about was like 6 months after NSMBU, not a single game can sustain a platform for that long on its own.

as for the period of which 3D World released is called the Holidays. The holidays were the best sales for Wii U in 2015 as well, are we going to claim thats due to Amiibo Festival & Mario Tennis?

You have shown literally no evidence to support the idea that 3D Mario has a bigger impact than 2D Mario.

No I've given you evidence you just sidestep it because the's no rebuttal you have right now, you're using sales to say NSMBU is this god tier system seller yet in the period it was the main show the platform flopped, I'm willing to bet that if it weren't for early adopters the whole situation would be far worse. right now you've not even debunked anything elaborated to you and just practically claim "It doesn't mean anything because I say so".

That worst period began at the end of January following launch, Wii U launched mid November so practically straight at the end of the launch period two months into the consoles life, the point when early adopters have made their purchase, problems started before F1 had even ended but looking at numbers early adopters mask that but performance numbers of the 2013 Q1 period show that's when problems began. Only way NSMBU was going to sell the Wii U was if the hardware was dead cheap or vastly afforadble at least.

so what proof do you have to show 3D World would have done any better as the only notable title for 9 months?

i never once claimed 2D Mario was a bigger system seller, just that there is no data that proves otherwise.

The influence in adding to a better baseline as well as the spike in sales with out being a launch title, 3D Mario is a lot more marketable to move systems while NSMB is marketable to the userbase, the whole debate is on NSMBU as a system seller as someone said that sales are proof of being a system seller, don't respond if you're not arguing that case because that's what the debate is about right now.

What baseline are you talking about? NPD & Media Create had Wii U down YOY in January 2014 while Vgchartz has a statistical tie globally, so what baseline are you referring to?

You are wrong, the debate started with someone stating that 3D Mario was a bigger system seller than 2D Mario. The burden of proof is on the 3D Mario side which have yet to provide any data to support the theory.