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PS4 Lifetime sale in Japan?

3 - 4M 12 3.24%
 
4 - 5M 9 2.43%
 
5 - 6M 24 6.49%
 
6 - 7M 32 8.65%
 
7 - 8M 48 12.97%
 
8 - 9M 36 9.73%
 
9 - 10M 24 6.49%
 
10 - 11M (Maybe Beat the PS3!) 54 14.59%
 
11M+ (Beat the PS3!) 59 15.95%
 
It will even beat the Nintendo Wii! (12.7M) 72 19.46%
 
Total:370
Miyamotoo said:
Swordmasterman said:

You are Comparing Life-time sales with my comparison about  2 years sales, the Playstation 4, still had the Wii U on japan, the console would not be dying if Nintendo, had made a Re-stock, and running for Third Party Support, overseas we had the Xbox 360, having a lot of sose artucess, and was a competition for Playstation, and still had the Wii, on Japan you only had PS3, and Wii, but you also had 1.2 Millions of Xbox 360.

 

Japan's Last gen sales numbers was 24-25 Millions total of Home Consoles sold, Nintendo NX, will still be a Home Console of the 8 generation, and Playstation 4 Sales will raise, i'm sure that this Generation life-time sales will be bigger than 24-25 Millions on Japan.

You also forgot that the PS3, was selling half of the Playstation 4, until recently, now the sales have stopped, and Playstation 4, is getting momentum.

 

This fail in Sales is because of the Handheld market, those articles about "24 Years Low" they count the Handheld market, previous gen the Nintendo DS, and the PSP, sold 53 Millions of units on Japan, now is less than 27 Millions and we are on the last years of the Handheld generation.

 

The Home console market on Japan still big, even if it falls the same every year, will take years for someone to take Japan's Place, as the second biggest country for Console Gaming, you can Spin it how much you want, but now, the Present day, Japan is Much bigger than  any other country, with the exception of USA, for the Console Gaming.

 

Germany's Last gen numbers are 12  Millions of Home consoles sold in total, something like this 12-13 Millions, this is 50-55% of what Japan Did.

France's Last gen numbers are 15.6 Millions of home consoles sold in Total, is 60% of What japan did.

Now the numbers are, France with 70% of what japan did, and Germany, with 75%.

We still don't have a main Final Fantasy game, neither a Dragon Quest game, so wait atleast after Final Fantasy XV's Release, after that you can  argue.

at this time in the gen Japan had 2 times  the numbers of home consoles sold that it is, but Xbox 360, was not a failure, and Wii, was a monster.

the Wii, sold 60% of his life-time sales on japan in the first 2 years, the Playstation 2, only  passed the 10 millions mark in 2014, 4 years after Wii, did it, and the 2 ended up selling nearly the same on Japan.

We are talking about Home console market, you say that the market is dead and only use Playstation,  to state  that the Whole market is dead, since the 7 Generation, Nintendo is a Equal rival for Sony.

I didn't use word like "dying market" but home console market in Japan is definitely in huge decline compared to previous generation.

PS4 around 25 months on Japanese market, Wii U one year more, PS4/Wii U/X1 sold 5.7m till now, now look sales numbers for PS3/Wii/Xbox360 around 25 months after launch, 10.5m.

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/42435/Japan/

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39789/Japan/

Wii, was a bigger sucess Worldwide, Xbox One, until now, after 1 Year on the Japanese market it sold nearly what Xbox 360, sold on Launch in Japan, Xbox 360, had over 1 Million of Units sold in japan, in the first 25 Months, now Xbox One, have over 60 Thousands, this is a 94% Decrease on Xbox sales on Japan.

Playstation 4, is ahead of Playstation 3, in the same time of their life, Playstation 4, needs to sell over 10 Millions of units in japan until 2021 to be ahead of Playstation 3, and this is clearly possible.



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It still needs what, 8 million more units? With pretty much all major console moving games on the horizon, price cuts, VR, and redesign ahead, + it is tracking ahead of the PS3, I think it is doable. Never the less, anyone who thinks it will do under 8 million LT in Japan is delusional. Even if it is already half in its life cycle It still can achieve those numbers.

The only wild card that could hurt its sales is a massively successful NX, but we still don't know anything about it.



Jranation said:
spemanig said:
If it sold 20k in Japan consistently every week, it would take until 2024 for it to reach 10.4m.

Now obviously it'll sell more some weeks and less other, but you get the picture.

Yeah. I personally think it will reach around 8-9M. 

Now we have to consider how will the PSVR affect in Japan? Is there a demand or interest in VR in Japan? Does the PSVR need a petting waifu or hentai game for it to get lots of interest? 

And if the PS4.5 thing is real. Will Japanese PS4 owners will upgrade? 

They saw Sword Art Online. VR is doomed there :p



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Swordmasterman said:
Miyamotoo said:

I didn't use word like "dying market" but home console market in Japan is definitely in huge decline compared to previous generation.

PS4 around 25 months on Japanese market, Wii U one year more, PS4/Wii U/X1 sold 5.7m till now, now look sales numbers for PS3/Wii/Xbox360 around 25 months after launch, 10.5m.

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/42435/Japan/

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/39789/Japan/

Wii, was a bigger sucess Worldwide, Xbox One, until now, after 1 Year on the Japanese market it sold nearly what Xbox 360, sold on Launch in Japan, Xbox 360, had over 1 Million of Units sold in japan, in the first 25 Months, now Xbox One, have over 60 Thousands, this is a 94% Decrease on Xbox sales on Japan.

Playstation 4, is ahead of Playstation 3, in the same time of their life, Playstation 4, needs to sell over 10 Millions of units in japan until 2021 to be ahead of Playstation 3, and this is clearly possible.

Of Course, but point here is that console market in Japan is in huge decline.

Despite PS4 is selling much better worldwide than PS3, in Japan sales of PS3 and PS4 are very similar for same time frame (two links that I posted). Definitely is possible that PS4 hits 10m in Japan, but I dont see that will be case, PS3 had unusually very long life without successor, I don't think that will be case with PS4. I think PS4 will end around 7-8m in Japan.



MikeRox said:
Jranation said:

Yeah. I personally think it will reach around 8-9M. 

Now we have to consider how will the PSVR affect in Japan? Is there a demand or interest in VR in Japan? Does the PSVR need a petting waifu or hentai game for it to get lots of interest? 

And if the PS4.5 thing is real. Will Japanese PS4 owners will upgrade? 

They saw Sword Art Online. VR is doomed there :p

 

Im sure those otakus wouldn't mind being stuck in an RPG. 



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Miyamotoo said:
Swordmasterman said:

Wii, was a bigger sucess Worldwide, Xbox One, until now, after 1 Year on the Japanese market it sold nearly what Xbox 360, sold on Launch in Japan, Xbox 360, had over 1 Million of Units sold in japan, in the first 25 Months, now Xbox One, have over 60 Thousands, this is a 94% Decrease on Xbox sales on Japan.

Playstation 4, is ahead of Playstation 3, in the same time of their life, Playstation 4, needs to sell over 10 Millions of units in japan until 2021 to be ahead of Playstation 3, and this is clearly possible.

Of Course, but point here is that console market in Japan is in huge decline.

Despite PS4 is selling much better worldwide than PS3, in Japan sales of PS3 and PS4 are very similar for same time frame (two links that I posted). Definitely is possible that PS4 hits 10m in Japan, but I dont see that will be case, PS3 had unusually very long life without successor, I don't think that will be case with PS4. I think PS4 will end around 7-8m in Japan.

The PS2, was still selling on 2008-2010, Selling at a High rate, also had a unusual Life-time of Sales, The Market isn't in such a Decline, in those Researchs they use the Handheld Market, together with the Home Console market, and this Generation is  over 30 Millions behind the last generation only with the Japan Numbers.

France, was over 25% Bigger than Germany, last gen, now Germany is 6-8% Bigger than France, this means that  France's Console Market  is in Decline ?.

Also, those researchs only track Physical Sales, isn't fair to compare Physical units sold of 2014, with the ones of the 90s, the Gameboy, alone was selling better than Nintendo 3DS + PS Vita, on Japan, they don't track Digital Sales, so the Market can still be Flat, instead of Down, with the Digital Sales, and would not be Down, if was not counting the Handheld market.

A Market that Sells Dozens of thousands of Software per week isn't a dead Market, and never will decline this much to became a "Dead market", is the Second best selling market for the Wii U, and the third best selling market for the Playstation 4.



Swordmasterman said:
spemanig said:

 

Final Fantasy Xiii, 1.88 Millions

Final Fantasy Xii, 2.87 Millions

Final Fantasy X, 3 Millions.

FF XII is at 2.33 Millions according to VGC.

PosGamePlatformYearGenrePublisherNorth AmericaEuropeJapanRest of WorldGlobal
1 Final Fantasy XII PS2 2006 Role-Playing Square Enix 1.88 0.00 2.33 1.74 5.95


Swordmasterman said:
GamechaserBE said:

Accoring to Vgchartz MGSV PS4/PS3 sales combined are still behind MGSIV sales :s?  And I wanted to add that indeed Western franchises are doing better and you can say it are impressive sales for Western Franchises but I believe the amount of people who buy a PS4 in Japan for those Western games is very low.

I Don't think that the number of people that purchase a PS4, for western game in Japan is Low, otherwise Sony, would not had made so much marketing for Black Ops 3 on Japan, i'm a Subscriber of Sony's Japanese Channel, and  the Channel had more than 4-5 Videos of Black Ops 3, per weeks before the Release, and some After the Release.

Well think is the keyword we don't really know. But I see that the biggest Western games are GTAV and COD Bo III on PS4 (correct me if I am wrong). And those games sold around 300K each on PS4 so how many PS4 were sold? 300K is to optimistic and my guess would be 100K?  And less than 5% of PS4's sold are because of those Western games?






Boutros said:
GamechaserBE said:

Accoring to Vgchartz MGSV PS4/PS3 sales combined are still behind MGSIV sales :s?  And I wanted to add that indeed Western franchises are doing better and you can say it are impressive sales for Western Franchises but I believe the amount of people who buy a PS4 in Japan for those Western games is very low.

Well I'm talking launch aligned for MGSV vs MGS4 (and including digital sales which VGC doesn't show).

First 7 weeks according to Media Create (without digital sales):

 

 

And we know digital sales are at least 65k on PS4+PS3.

And I disagree I think franchises like Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto sold many PS4s already.

But yeah that's exactly what i meant. We would all have suspected a better performance for MGSV no?

And how many PS4's do you think are sold because of those Western Games. 






A better question would be how long the PS4 will remain above the PS3 launch aligned.
Declining interest in consoles would be devastating...if this was the PS3, but its the PS4 in a completely different generation with a generally more favorable environment sans console interest such as lack of competitor (atm), lower price, etc...

If the generation is much shorter as many alleged, then practically every other concern gets overshadowed by time frame, and this question simply devolves into a resounding (virtually) one sided no.



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