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       Is NX even necessary if all Ninty is doing is making a platform that can handle multiplats? Why exactly would Ninty need to make their plats more integrated if 3rd party support is all their after?

       So in order to answer this question we need to first know what NX is for. The only thing we know for sure about NX is simply its suppose to make Nintys handheld and home plats much more integrated. How much more could Ninty's plats become more integrated? 3DS and WiiU already share alot, alot of the same franchises even some of the same games(Smash, Hyrule Warriors). Cross buy is already a thing and it only makes sense between the same games(see Smash dlc). Cross buy wouldnt work very well for say MK7 and MK8. Are they talking about more franchises crossing over from one side to the other? If so, wouldnt that be a more internal theme in Nintendo? Porting franchises back and forth is hardly something to name as the headlining theme of your plat. That was the point from the very beginning, starting with Gameboy playing portable versions of the NES games. Now you can take your favorite franchises with you on the go was clearly the GBs selling point, so what would be so different now? The OS are more or less the same, Miiverse is no longer exclusive to WiiU and has been that way for a while now. So what is so much more integrated about NX? NXs integration has to be even further than all of that. Why would Ninty take such a leap, just to gain 3rd party support for their home consoles? When has Ninty shown so much love to their home console side? This leads me to my next issue with so much home console bias.

        Wouldnt this also make Nintys handhelds less attractive? NX being even further integrated than what I described above just doesnt make any sense. The home console would be significanly more attractive and lead to less handheld sells due to all the over the top integration. Even if the integration isnt over the top, all the exclusives the handhelds had would be loss. Leading to more lost handheld sells and a less attractive handheld making it even easier for smartphones and tablets to further erode the dedicated handheld market. So now NX not only has to make up for the dying home console side of Ninty but also the further decreasing handheld side in an even more competitive space? Good luck with that NInty! Nintendo would probably loose their strong hold on Japan because now things are on even playing grounds with Sony. So all in all Ninty would be producing a less attractive handheld all for a more attractive home console in a market Ninty has some very strong consistent competition? When the truth is Ninty pumping out more games for home consoles is unnecessary if 3rd parties are on board, because 3rd parties would already have it covered.

       Basically people, wouldnt it make more sense for Ninty to instead shift more resources towards their handhelds and let the 3rd parties do all the work? Why not try to save both sides? Resources need to be shifted towards the handheld side due to the war against smartphones, while 3rd parties can keep the home console side afloat with the occasional Ninty first party major release sprinkled in. It would be 90% to 10% in favor of handhelds due to 3rd parties not being there to support it. The home consoles would still get things like MK, NSMB, 3D Mario, 3D Zelda, 3D Metroid, Star Fox, and ofcourse Smash. The handheld side would just receive everything else making NX unnecassary. Further integration only leads to a less attractive handheld in this scenario of NX attracting 3rd parties. Im not even convinced a home console from Ninty would sell more than 3DS!



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The goal of a company is to maximise profits. Locking themselves into handhelds that most third party's won't touch will net them less money than trying to have it all



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Blob said:
Only if nintendo wants to make more money.
The goal of a company is to maximise profits. Locking themselves into handhelds that most third party's won't touch will net them less money than trying to have it all

So selling less hardware(handhelds) and paying for 3rd party support will some how net them more money? The more you know. Im also going to add according to many of people on these forums, the only reason Ninty sells so much software is because its all us ninty fans can get our hands on. There fore wouldn't Ninty also sell less games due to having more to choose from? Its also heavily abused up here that Ninty made as much money during the GC days as Sony did with PS2? Now ofcourse that was with the GBAs doing but still, if 3rd parties made Sony so much? How was Ninty able to match it? Now the point of all of this is to piss on how much 3rd parties are actually worth lol, Sony makes money on the licensing fees and then pisses it away advertising their games. Nothing but a vicious cycle Ninty wants no part of. I find it funny people think 3rd parties make so much money for Sony yet for some reason the grown men at Ninty want no part of it? Why would they not want to be rich like Sony? Obviously more things go on behind the scenes then we know. Its completely understandable why Sony and Microsoft kisses the asses of 3rd parties? They have no chance at being successful without them. See Vita, PSP, and Xbox although PSP is arguable, its success came from Sonys first handheld hype obviously. Every succussful plat Sony and Micro ever produced had tons of 3rd party support. Those platforms highlight what happens when they have comprosing 3rd party support. Ninty on the other hand has produced every handheld without major support and they were successful. Only Wii stands out as a successful home console without major 3rd party support but yet it ended up being their highest! In other words, Ninty has proven success without 3rds while micro and sony have not plain and simple.



Rarely do I read a thread with such a high density of incorrect info set as the foundation of its inception.

Wii U and 3DS do not share a lot. Their OS's are completely different. The technology is what's different now. Cloud saving, digital downloads, unified accounts, console quality portable hardware, highly scalable game engines, hindsight. Miiverse is shit on 3DS. Nintendo isn't integrating its platforms to gain third parties. The NX isn't just a home console, so assuming any decision they make is for the benefit of one form factor over the other is silly. There is no home console bias.

That's just the first paragraph. I needn't go on.



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spemanig said:
Rarely do I read a thread with such a high density of incorrect info set as the foundation of its inception.

Wii U and 3DS do not share a lot. Their OS's are completely different. The technology is what's different now. Cloud saving, digital downloads, unified accounts, console quality portable hardware, highly scalable game engines, hindsight. Miiverse is shit on 3DS. Nintendo isn't integrating its platforms to gain third parties. The NX isn't just a home console, so assuming any decision they make is for the benefit of one form factor over the other is silly. There is no home console bias.

That's just the first paragraph. I needn't go on.

Never have I read such a pointless reply that said absolutely nothing but I don't agree. You never actually said anything that's proves the plats aren't quite alike. What's so different about their OS? They are both pretty barebones and neither has much the other doesn't. Lol at miiverse running like crap on 3ds? The point is, it's THERE. All of that other crap you spouted was pure nonsense that said absolutely nothing. I guess next you're gonna say Smash wasn't same game across both plats? They don't share alot besides the same franchises they use to support them lol. Please tell me what's different besides the obvious power difference? By the way, what does the handheld gain that it already doesn't have?



Here we go again. Killing before conception. Give it a rest. I know we're all in a frizz about NX but until NINTENDO says something about the console's concept, I'm not going to deem how worthy or unnecessary it is. Not yet, not while only 1% of info has been confirmed by Nintendo.



Nintyfan90 said:

       Is NX even necessary if all Ninty is doing is making a platform that can handle multiplats? Why exactly would Ninty need to make their plats more integrated if 3rd party support is all their after?

       So in order to answer this question we need to first know what NX is for. The only thing we know for sure about NX is simply its suppose to make Nintys handheld and home plats much more integrated. How much more could Ninty's plats become more integrated? 3DS and WiiU already share alot, alot of the same franchises even some of the same games(Smash, Hyrule Warriors). Cross buy is already a thing and it only makes sense between the same games(see Smash dlc). Cross buy wouldnt work very well for say MK7 and MK8. Are they talking about more franchises crossing over from one side to the other? If so, wouldnt that be a more internal theme in Nintendo? Porting franchises back and forth is hardly something to name as the headlining theme of your plat. That was the point from the very beginning, starting with Gameboy playing portable versions of the NES games. Now you can take your favorite franchises with you on the go was clearly the GBs selling point, so what would be so different now? The OS are more or less the same, Miiverse is no longer exclusive to WiiU and has been that way for a while now. So what is so much more integrated about NX? NXs integration has to be even further than all of that. Why would Ninty take such a leap, just to gain 3rd party support for their home consoles? When has Ninty shown so much love to their home console side? This leads me to my next issue with so much home console bias.

        Wouldnt this also make Nintys handhelds less attractive? NX being even further integrated than what I described above just doesnt make any sense. The home console would be significanly more attractive and lead to less handheld sells due to all the over the top integration. Even if the integration isnt over the top, all the exclusives the handhelds had would be loss. Leading to more lost handheld sells and a less attractive handheld making it even easier for smartphones and tablets to further erode the dedicated handheld market. So now NX not only has to make up for the dying home console side of Ninty but also the further decreasing handheld side in an even more competitive space? Good luck with that NInty! Nintendo would probably loose their strong hold on Japan because now things are on even playing grounds with Sony. So all in all Ninty would be producing a less attractive handheld all for a more attractive home console in a market Ninty has some very strong consistent competition? When the truth is Ninty pumping out more games for home consoles is unnecessary if 3rd parties are on board, because 3rd parties would already have it covered.

       Basically people, wouldnt it make more sense for Ninty to instead shift more resources towards their handhelds and let the 3rd parties do all the work? Why not try to save both sides? Resources need to be shifted towards the handheld side due to the war against smartphones, while 3rd parties can keep the home console side afloat with the occasional Ninty first party major release sprinkled in. It would be 90% to 10% in favor of handhelds due to 3rd parties not being there to support it. The home consoles would still get things like MK, NSMB, 3D Mario, 3D Zelda, 3D Metroid, Star Fox, and ofcourse Smash. The handheld side would just receive everything else making NX unnecassary. Further integration only leads to a less attractive handheld in this scenario of NX attracting 3rd parties. Im not even convinced a home console from Ninty would sell more than 3DS!

 

Actually 3DS and Wii U dont share almost anything, they are completely separate platforms, with seperate OS-s, separate account, different architectures, different games..

What Nintendo said they want to do with NX is to make unifed platform like iOS or Android, imagine iPad like home console and iPhone like handheld and you get picture what Nintendo is aiming for. Also such a platform doenst mean just a same game that will be playable on handheld and home console, such a platform can heavy integrate home console and handheld, so for instance we could use handheld like controller for home console or something diffrent.

Such a platform will be much more attractive for users than separate platforms like before, for instance NX home console will be much more attractive because you will have handhelds games on it too, or handheld will have some home console games too, that means such a devices will be much more attractive for consumers than just home console that has only home console games or handheld that has only handheld games. Also I dont think that every game will be cross device game, there will still be some exclusives but definitely biggest number of games will be for both devices.

 

 

Why Nintendo is going for unifed platform!? 

Because in modern age when games require much more resources and development time than before, they cant effectively support two totally different platforms. We already saw this gen when Nintendo struggled hard with constant software droughts and delays, while Sony for instance completely abandoned Vita.

So instead losing time and resources on making two different and separate NSMB, Mario Kart, Smash, Yoshi, Kirby...games for each platform individually, Nintendo can make just one game instead of those two and use that extra time and resources they have in that way and make some other project. That will leave to higher output of games that Nintendo can provide and to much more diverse lineup of games.

Also this could be very attractive for 3rd parties as well, they could develop games that would be sell on two devices in same time.

 

So yes, it necessary for Nintendo and IMO this is very good plan.



Nintendo needs two things:

-Improve their software output. By sharing the handheld and home console library, a customer with just one device has access to twice the amount of games, and leaves Nintendo free of redundant developement (two MarioKarts, two Smash, two kirbys...) to invest in new projects.

-Improve the 3rd party support. The NX has to become similar to the standards of today's developemen, both in power and in architecture. That way 3rd parties will need less resources to port their games to Nintendo systems, making the smaller sales of their games less risky.

Handhelds will become smaller, but considering Nintendo is going to be the only competitor in that area after the Vita gets discontinued, it is a very interesting proposition for Nintendo. Specially if the handheld is powerful enough to play some of the biggest japanese RPGs like FFXV, FFVIIR, Dragon Quest, the Tales games, Persona...



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