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RadiantDanceMachine said:

There isn't any ad hominem in there, merely a classification of your views which are delusional by definition since they are contrary to evidence. You continue to argue that he is a sound businessman, despite all the proof to the contrary. [delusional]

You've yet to proctor any semblance of a rebuttal. Burying your head in the sand and pretending the sources I posted do not exist is not a rebuttal.

Are you going to rebut the cold, hard objective facts I've already posted (you can't, because they are facts) or are you going to continue to pretend I've hurt your feelings?

Time to simply admit you're wrong.

Calling someone delusional and asking if their trolling is against the rules but I'll go easy on you since you'll learn the hard way ...  

I don't pretend that your sources do not exist, it's just that you've yet to understand that their irrelevant for the most part. What matters is how you strive to have wealth like his, not constantly gawk and dwell on his failures like his hater's would ... 

Your facts mean nothing when he's not in jail for what you claimed him to be ...  

You seem very upset that you can't do anything but debase anyone's value ...



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What?
Did Hillary Clinton say it's perfectly ok for a husband to cheat in marriage?

If you are implying she thinks this because she has not divorced from Bill Clinton, then it's because you are still thinking from a childlike point of view. When you get older, most likely, you will find out that life is not   as black and white as you think it is.

Anyway, I dont care who wins, but Trump winning will be the most fun to watch.



''Hadouken!''

fatslob-:O said:
RadiantDanceMachine said:

There isn't any ad hominem in there, merely a classification of your views which are delusional by definition since they are contrary to evidence. You continue to argue that he is a sound businessman, despite all the proof to the contrary. [delusional]

You've yet to proctor any semblance of a rebuttal. Burying your head in the sand and pretending the sources I posted do not exist is not a rebuttal.

Are you going to rebut the cold, hard objective facts I've already posted (you can't, because they are facts) or are you going to continue to pretend I've hurt your feelings?

Time to simply admit you're wrong.

Calling someone delusional and asking if their trolling is against the rules but I'll go easy on you since you'll learn the hard way ...  

I don't pretend that your sources do not exist, it's just that you've yet to understand that their irrelevant for the most part. What matters is how you strive to have wealth like his, not constantly gawk and dwell on his failures like his hater's would ... 

Your facts mean nothing when he's not in jail for what you claimed him to be ...  

You seem very upset that you can't do anything but debase anyone's value ...

In what way are they irrelevant? They establish his failures, establish that his success is largely attributed to isolation from failure - i.e. bailouts by investors / federal government / banks.

I think you're confusing personal wealth with business success. 





RadiantDanceMachine said:

In what way are they irrelevant? They establish his failures, establish that his success is largely attributed to isolation from failure - i.e. bailouts by investors / federal government / banks.

I think you're confusing personal wealth with business success. 

They establish his mistakes but what they don't represent are his FINAL RESULTS and that is all that matters ... 

The difference between a good businessman and bad businessman is the same between a winner and a loser when playing the game. It doesn't get anymore clearer that Donald Trump is the winner ...

Personal wealth is related with business success and the only way he grew his fortune is by running a business ...

Did it ever cross your mind that success in life comes at the expense of failure for others ?



fatslob-:O said:
RadiantDanceMachine said:

In what way are they irrelevant? They establish his failures, establish that his success is largely attributed to isolation from failure - i.e. bailouts by investors / federal government / banks.

I think you're confusing personal wealth with business success. 

They establish his mistakes but what they don't represent are his FINAL RESULTS and that is all that matters ... 

The difference between a good businessman and bad businessman is the same between a winner and a loser when playing the game. It doesn't get anymore clearer that Donald Trump is the winner ...

Personal wealth is related with business success and the only way he grew his fortune is by running a business ...

Did it ever cross your mind that success in life comes at the expense of failure for others ?

You're saying the failures are irrelevant which is really bizarre. A good businessman doesn't have 10+ businesses fail. 

Trump's wealth is a product of playing on the family name. Same reason Paris Hilton is wealthy. You don't think she's a good businesswoman do you?

He's made a few good deals that have certainly enhanced his personal wealth, but on the whole it's difficult to argue that he's had more successes than failures in the business world. Any time he's ventured outside merely buying and renovating properties he has failed and that's a result of his poor business acumen.

When you're isolated from failures, you can keep trying until you succeed. That's a product of his starting wealth that this opportunity was open to him. Had Donald been merely a small businessman, he would have failed initially and been unable to recover. 



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RadiantDanceMachine said:

You're saying the failures are irrelevant which is really bizarre. A good businessman doesn't have 10+ businesses fail. 

Trump's wealth is a product of playing on the family name. Same reason Paris Hilton is wealthy. You don't think she's a good businesswoman do you?

He's made a few good deals that have certainly enhanced his personal wealth, but on the whole it's difficult to argue that he's had more successes than failures in the business world. Any time he's ventured outside merely buying and renovating properties he has failed and that's a result of his poor business acumen.

When you're isolated from failures, you can keep trying until you succeed. That's a product of his starting wealth that this opportunity was open to him. Had Donald been merely a small businessman, he would have failed initially and been unable to recover. 

When it comes to comparing final results, yes failures and mistakes are practically irrelevant when the said individual in the end overshadowed their own weaknesses but a bad businessman is a total loser and Trump does not fit that description one bit when he's richer than ever before by a vast amount ... 

Trump is a celebrity ? As for Paris Hilton, the fact that she rakes in millions each year with her authorized products means that she is doing good business even if it is from her identity ... 

It's not to say that Trump is the best businessman out there but it would be big stretch to claim he's a bad one when he has yet to lose all of his wealth. You don't measure success from the least amount of failures, you measure it by their gains. It wouldn't be very wise to claim that the low end multi-millionaire with a near spotless record is more successful than billionaire with several big catastrophes ... 

You can win as many battles as you want but if you lose the war it's all for naught in the end ... 

I don't deny that he has more room fo error but all that wealth means nothing if you don't have the passion to grow it or maintain it ... 

He could've went down if he started out as somce small time businessman but that's besides the point when such a scenario didn't happen so it's pointless to speculate about it ...



fatslob-:O said:
RadiantDanceMachine said:

You're saying the failures are irrelevant which is really bizarre. A good businessman doesn't have 10+ businesses fail. 

Trump's wealth is a product of playing on the family name. Same reason Paris Hilton is wealthy. You don't think she's a good businesswoman do you?

He's made a few good deals that have certainly enhanced his personal wealth, but on the whole it's difficult to argue that he's had more successes than failures in the business world. Any time he's ventured outside merely buying and renovating properties he has failed and that's a result of his poor business acumen.

When you're isolated from failures, you can keep trying until you succeed. That's a product of his starting wealth that this opportunity was open to him. Had Donald been merely a small businessman, he would have failed initially and been unable to recover. 

When it comes to comparing final results, yes failures and mistakes are practically irrelevant when the said individual in the end overshadowed their own weaknesses but a bad businessman is a total loser and Trump does not fit that description one bit when he's richer than ever before by a vast amount ... 

Trump is a celebrity ? As for Paris Hilton, the fact that she rakes in millions each year with her authorized products means that she is doing good business even if it is from her identity ... 

It's not to say that Trump is the best businessman out there but it would be big stretch to claim he's a bad one when he has yet to lose all of his wealth. You don't measure success from the least amount of failures, you measure it by their gains. It wouldn't be very wise to claim that the low end multi-millionaire with a near spotless record is more successful than billionaire with several big catastrophes ... 

You can win as many battles as you want but if you lose the war it's all for naught in the end ... 

I don't deny that he has more room fo error but all that wealth means nothing if you don't have the passion to grow it or maintain it ... 

He could've went down if he started out as somce small time businessman but that's besides the point when such a scenario didn't happen so it's pointless to speculate about it ...

I really struggle to sympathize with your views here. You continue to conflate personal wealth with business success. 

I would absolutely claim that a person who has a spotless business record is a superior business person over someone who has failed many times. I think this follows as a matter of necessity. 

With Paris and Trump it's an inherited value. It's not something they built, it's something they exploited. In this sense, it's a good business choice to play on the family name for sure but it isn't something they built. Trump attempted to exploit his family name in other ventures where it failed, but his name still plays big in real estate.

It would be very difficult for Trump to have run his father's business into the ground, would you not agree?

I think these things have to be taken into consideration when analyzing Trump's business dealings.

"...it would be big stretch to claim he's a bad one when he has yet to lose all of his wealth."

No, again you're confused here. Personal wealth is completely isolated from business, that's the entire purpose of incorporating. When your business fails, your personal wealth is not impacted.



spurgeonryan said:
Don't even know who Rand Paul is. So yes for trump!

 

Please don't vote.  Please don't go to the polls.  Please open a newspaper, news web site, facebook, or anything that will better inform you about the world.  It's one thing to play a bunch of crap games because you enjoy the tearing textures, crappy storylines, and obvious cash grab movie tie-ins, but this is our democracy we're talking about.  If you want to vote for Trump because you are an informed voter, be my guest.  But to not know who Rand Paul is is to seriously not have even considered your options.  



Even if Thrump gets elected, the congress is controlled by corporate America and guess how Thrump supports? The corporates!

In otherwords: Business as usuall!



Jimbo1337 said:
Tigerlure said:

Uttering platitudes such as "Putin will like me, because I'm Donald Trump" and "I'll be tough on China" aren't policies.

I gave you a list of his policies and you still aren't happy.  *throws hands up in the air*



Those aren't policies, they're opinions and sound-bites. Any idiot could list their opinions.

The fact people even think that such a simple list could be considered a list of actual political policies just shows how much of a joke politics in the US currently is.