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OdinHades said:
Ok, seriously guys, drop that legal BS. I'm all for playing PS2 titles on PS4, I even bought San Andreas for 15 bucks. But who cares about someone getting a BIOS for the PS2? I bet even Sony doesn't mind. It's neglible, even if illegal on paper. I play SNES and GBA games on my PSP all day and I don't give two fucks about it. It's technically illegal, even though I do own the original games, but I still may not download them from the internet. But I couldn't care less. I want to play those games on the go!

Just let the people play on whatever platform they prefer. I don't have problems with people prefering PC with emulators, but I personally like it on Ps4 more.

 

Aye, it's just some people are probably reacting to the very first line of the OP.



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My personal opinion. People make a stink about too damn much. Firstly, PS2 Emulation was confirmed less than a month before released. People are acting like they kept PS2 games for when PS4 emulation came. While in the past Sony kept saying they're not really looking into BC. Meaning you clearly bought those games, either to just have. To play on PS2 or PS3. PS4 came with a new option, a new coat etc. PSOne Classics are $5.99 to $9.99. PS2 classics are I believe $9.99 to $14.99. No one complained about those prices, which imo are great. PS4 releases PS2 games with enhancements, trophies and ALL the natural capibilities of the PS4 (Can't say for the PS3). For the same price range, Now all of a sudden it's to much, Sony's being money hungry etc. WTF is up with the nasty gaming community. A Company can't just get a "Good Job". Doing this same PS2 Emulation using a Disc would be ridiculously hard with trophies etc involved. It would be a mess. I own Dark Cloud on disc, and I proudly bought it and Rouge Galaxy on PS4. I own Dark Cloud 2 and I'll proudly rebuy it as well when released on PS4:)



zero129 said:
Azuren said:
Why you should play PS2 Classics on PS4:

1: It supports the original developer and does not condone to piracy (of which every single person using these emulators is doing, regardless of deflated arguments like "I only play games I own")

2: It encourages more PS2 Classics to be released on PS4, showing that things like this are in demand and allowing PS4 users more perks like this in the future.

3: The Classics on PS4 have trophy support, giving trophy hunters an excuse to play the games again.

4: It exposes a new generation of gamer to PS2 games through advertising on the PlayStation Store, as opposed to demanding that generation do their research.

5: It's easier and more user friendly than buggy, unofficial emulators.

6: Playing at just acceptable levels require an exceptional processor, as last I checked this emulator could not tap the GPU and thus required the CPU to do all the work. This would mean that, just for the price of a processor to play at PS2 levels, you could have purchased a PS4 (or even better, a PS2 and the games you want).

7: Playing with the 4K resolutions and shrinking the display area would require an even more powerful/expensive computer, adding emphasis to point 6.

For the record, most PC gamers on this forum don't continuously take shots at console gaming. It's mostly kept contained to playful jabs here and there, however I've learned to associate your Naruto avatar with not just PC bias, but anti-PlayStation bias. I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I could do with a lot less "This is why you don't need a console" debate.

So can you tell me for a user that already owns a gaming PC and even a PS4 if you want. And owns a bunch of Original PS2 games should go out and buy them again on their PS4?.

Also you can associate my avater with anything you want, but maybe you have them reasons cos you like showing up in Pro "PC threads" downplaying or attacking them, and most of them post you see from me is me defending PC against users such as yourself, so maybe thats why you run into me a lot since you seem to like entering the threads of a system you do not even own... Now if you can point out a PS4 thread that i entered and started downplaying or attacking Playstation for no reason id like to see it, it might be hard since all the threads im mostly in are PC threads..

Also no where does this topic say that Consoles are not needed. But if you do feel like you could do with less pro PC threads (Thats really what you mean here hey?) maybe you should stop entering them thats one way to get less of them .

 



 

You can play innocent and argue semantics over what you actually say versus meaning, but you still make threads that continuously show how unimportant consoles are and how everything they do can be done on PC better. Owning a PC, a PS4, and a bunch of PS2 games doesn't suddenly make you right or give you an edge (I have all of those as well, after all).

 

You wonder why so many console gamers come into your threads to argue? Because you bait them. You're not the innocent victim, you're antagonizing what is the majority on this website. 



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Why cant sony make native discbased bc instead of this
what has ms that sony hasnt ?



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asqarkabab said:
Why cant sony make native discbased bc instead of this
what has ms that sony hasnt ?

Money and an image problem?
Maybe a weird notion yet releasing an emulator that plays disc based games for free is not all that enticing to a business.
Anyway they did last gen, people didn't care much about it, no disc based BC this gen.



ganoncrotch said:
zero129 said:

Yes cos Sony is going to lose so much money from you downloading a Bios from the internet for a system you already own and payed for but cant rip the bios yourself...



Well they'll lose the money from people buying the games they're putting resources into upscaling to 1080p and adding trophy support to, since there is another way of doing this by reverse engineering the BIOS out of a PS2 for use in a program not created by Sony.

Anyway tagging this for a read about encouraging people to circumvent buying games from digital marketplaces, just to see if such a thread is fine on Vgchartz forums. Just interested to see.

 



Seems like you got the wrong geezt of the thread.

In no way does this thread encurage people to circumvent buying games from Sonys market place.

What it does discusse is another option for people who already still owns their PS2 classics, who doesnt feel like they have to buy them again and gives them a way to reply them again in HD on their PC's.

But yes this thread is perfectly legal, same way PCSX2 and emulation talk is legal. And emulation is a big part of the PC community so it would be foolish to not allow talk of emulation as long as it doesnt go into details about playing or where to get pirate games.

But when your playing games you already paid for why shouldnt it be ok?.





zero129 said:
ganoncrotch said:

Well they'll lose the money from people buying the games they're putting resources into upscaling to 1080p and adding trophy support to, since there is another way of doing this by reverse engineering the BIOS out of a PS2 for use in a program not created by Sony.

Anyway tagging this for a read about encouraging people to circumvent buying games from digital marketplaces, just to see if such a thread is fine on Vgchartz forums. Just interested to see.

 



Seems like you got the wrong geezt of the thread.

In no way does this thread encurage people to circumvent buying games from Sonys market place.

What it does discusse is another option for people who already still owns their PS2 classics, who doesnt feel like they have to buy them again and gives them a way to reply them again in HD on their PC's.

But yes this thread is perfectly legal, same way PCSX2 and emulation talk is legal. And emulation is a big part of the PC community so it would be foolish to not allow talk of emulation as long as it doesnt go into details about playing or where to get pirate games.

But when your playing games you already paid for why shouldnt it be ok?.



Is that not right in the title of the article?
Why you should play PS2 classics on PC, not PS4

The emulator is perfectly legal, obtaining the bios is not. But it's funny how they dance around that little detail

It also touches on the one complicated part of setting up the emulator: the PS2 BIOS. While the PCSX2 code is completely legal, Sony owns the code of the PS2 BIOS. That hasn’t stopped the BIOS files from being widely distributed online, but it does mean the only free-and-clear legal way to obtain the necessary BIOS files is to dump them from your own PS2.

Then the link they provide (to pscx2 forum) dances around the legality some more

Much of the information is easy to find if you just do a Google search
for the big stuff such as the memory card exploit (aka Independence
Exploit), however I am unable to post these sites as they often do
contain links to things such as modchips etc that we do not support
here. Before starting you will need a way such as a modchip or
swapdiscs to boot custom code on your ps2
. We
will be burning a custom disc to cd-r in this tutorial so if you have
no way to boot it on your ps2, then all your work will be in vain.


We do not support mod chips, but first you need a mod chip.... Hypocrisy at its finest.
Circumventing drm is not legal, just a minor technicality. So effectively this thread does encourage people to illegally download a PS2 Bios, or jailbreak their ps2.



zero129 said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

 

You know what's more simple than ripping games and fucking with an emulator? Popping them into a PS2 and playing on a CRT. If this was about simplicity, that's the best way to go.

And we all know that almost everyone who uses emulators are stealing the games via torrents. Trying to argue otherwise is just foolish and insulting. 

Except then for many users that means Rooting their PS2's out from storage boxes, keeping it plugged in, keeping all your games near by if you want to play them, getting up changing discs etc.

For someone like me its much easier just to rip my discs to a hdd set up PCSX 2 for each game, add that game then to steam and just play it whenever i want after that. The first investment of setting the games up and ripping them is mostly the longest part of the whole process but then once they are up and running it makes it much easier and quicker then setting up the PS2 everytime you want to play one of them games.

And its insulting for you to assume that everyone that uses emulation does so for Piracy simply just cos they can. Do you assume everyone does the same thing with every console thats ever been cracked to play pirate games?, Do you assume that most users from all the gens before this one where pirates who never used to buy PS3 or X360 games etc, and will you also assume that once the X1 and PS4 are hacked that every user will then become pirates just cos they can, and that every topic about PS4 or X1 should then turn into topics complaining about Piracy??.

IF your answer is no to any of them questions then you should stop assuming the same thing about every PC users..




It's still easier to leave a PS2 hooked up and just play the damn games on the console and my answer to all those questions is basically that the majority of people who use emulators are thieves and cheapskates who don't want to buy the actual games. There are always variables.



Nocturne123 said:
Or you could, you know, pay for them and support Sony so they can put that money into the PS4 infrastructure and it's games.

I've paid a lot of money for my PS2 games, but Sony doesn't create the infrastructure to be able to keep playing them. So yeah, I play them on PC.

I've even bought some PS2 classics on PS3, and finding out that they have no plans whatsoever to support my purchases on PS4 made me think "You know what? You can stick your paltry offering of PS2 games on PS4, I'm not buying that again".

These things should be a 2 way street: I buy your games, you respect my purchases. If not, I'll play them on PC. That's how it works.