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Forums - Sales Discussion - November 2015 NPD Thread! Hardware and software in OP!

xbox has as much as the ps4
halo 5 carry over, fallout 4 bundle and free game promotions during cod week

first time 299 with even more extras at some retailers during black friday
xbox brand aways bigger in the holiday, while ps is strong the whole year.
just don't be suprised



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Shadow1980 said:
Slarvax said:
Shadow1980 said:
I predict that VGC overtracked the XBO by at least 200k. There's just no way it did as well as it did last November.

It had a new Halo, Fallout, and StarWars this year. I could see it doing better.

See my post here for my reasons why I feel VGC is overtracking the XBO. Furthermore, Halo was a sales disappointment (relative to past Halo titles, anyway) and was only a moderate system-seller and is unlikely to move an appreciable amount of hardware for November. Star Wars is a marketing & bundle exclusive for the PS4 and thus was unlikely to have a measurable effect on XBO sales. Fallout 4 was probably the only game that shifted an appreciable amount of units, but I somehow doubt it could be so big of a system-seller so as to make up for the fact that the forces that drove the XBO to 1.23M last November are not a factor this November. In fact, if Amazon was any indication XBO sales did not move appreciably the week Fallout 4 debuted, and there wasn't exactly a ton of Fallout 4 bundles preordered, either.

I stand by my claim that VGC is overtracking the XBO by a considerable amount. They overtracked it by 200k last November (and their pre-adjustment estimates are frequently quite a bit off from NPD numbers), so it's not improbable that they didn't do so again this year.

I forgot VGC did that last year. VGC may have over-estimated the sales benefit of FO4 and may have underestimated the tectonic shift of CoD becoming associated with PS instead of Xbox. We should not forget that most X360 owners never owned a Xbox before and the CoD fans may have more loyalty to CoD than to Xbox (or Playstation), and so they will go to the console that gets the CoD support. VGC also estimates that FO4 sold better on PS4, that suggests PS4 got almost as big a hardware boost from FO4 as Xb one did.



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"Just for comparison Uncharted 4 was 20x bigger than Splatoon 2. This shows the huge difference between Sony's first-party games and Nintendo's first-party games."

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binary solo said:
Shadow1980 said:

See my post here for my reasons why I feel VGC is overtracking the XBO. Furthermore, Halo was a sales disappointment (relative to past Halo titles, anyway) and was only a moderate system-seller and is unlikely to move an appreciable amount of hardware for November. Star Wars is a marketing & bundle exclusive for the PS4 and thus was unlikely to have a measurable effect on XBO sales. Fallout 4 was probably the only game that shifted an appreciable amount of units, but I somehow doubt it could be so big of a system-seller so as to make up for the fact that the forces that drove the XBO to 1.23M last November are not a factor this November. In fact, if Amazon was any indication XBO sales did not move appreciably the week Fallout 4 debuted, and there wasn't exactly a ton of Fallout 4 bundles preordered, either.

I stand by my claim that VGC is overtracking the XBO by a considerable amount. They overtracked it by 200k last November (and their pre-adjustment estimates are frequently quite a bit off from NPD numbers), so it's not improbable that they didn't do so again this year.

I forgot VGC did that last year. VGC may have over-estimated the sales benefit of FO4 and may have underestimated the tectonic shift of CoD becoming associated with PS instead of Xbox. We should not forget that most X360 owners never owned a Xbox before and the CoD fans may have more loyalty to CoD than to Xbox (or Playstation), and so they will go to the console that gets the CoD support. VGC also estimates that FO4 sold better on PS4, that suggests PS4 got almost as big a hardware boost from FO4 as Xb one did.

Plus, Sony announced 30.2m sell-through as of the 22nd (iirc), so we know the numbers needed some attention even before BF.



Tag. I think ps4 will win by 130k



Highly doubt the XOne beat the PS4 in the USA let alone by that much.



mornelithe said:
binary solo said:

I forgot VGC did that last year. VGC may have over-estimated the sales benefit of FO4 and may have underestimated the tectonic shift of CoD becoming associated with PS instead of Xbox. We should not forget that most X360 owners never owned a Xbox before and the CoD fans may have more loyalty to CoD than to Xbox (or Playstation), and so they will go to the console that gets the CoD support. VGC also estimates that FO4 sold better on PS4, that suggests PS4 got almost as big a hardware boost from FO4 as Xb one did.

Plus, Sony announced 30.2m sell-through as of the 22nd (iirc), so we know the numbers needed some attention even before BF.

That's probably a red herring from a NPD perspective because VGC's error with the 30.2 million is more likely to be due to other markets and not much at all due to the USA. After all, we do have a monthly check on VGC's US accuracy and VGC routinely adjusts when it is too divergent from NPD. 

Without trawling back through all the gen 8 NPD threads, does anyone have an idea of the current difference between NPD LTD and VGC LTD for the USA?



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