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Who do you think will win Black Friday 2015?

Xbox One 124 26.78%
 
PS4 290 62.63%
 
LOL....Wii U 49 10.58%
 
Total:463
AEGRO on 16 November 2015
LudicrousSpeed said:
Exclusives largely don't matter. PS4 has sold off factors like price, word of mouth, and third party games. But not exclusives. Shoppers on BF don't give a fuck about exclusives, they care about price, and what toy little Johnny wrote on his list.

Am I the only one who has thought the BF deals thus far are extremely weak for both consoles? Compared to the treats they have bestowed upon us the last few years anyway. I mean, Sony might not have had an official "price cut" last BF but they had the GTA V bundle which essentially cut $110 off the price with the included games. Plus anything stores threw in on top of it. Same for Xbone with the AC bundle and price drop.

I guess the Dell Xbone deal is pretty sweet, you get the Gears bundle, AND Fallout 4, AND an extra controller, thought idk if its a real controller or some 3rd party garbage.

I don't think the new bundles will matter nearly as much as people think. It's the holidays, shit is going to sell whether it has an ugly Star Wars design on it or not. Same with Xbone bundles. Customers might choose it over another PS4 console but they all come with games now. I thought PS4 would win October, I figure they'll win November.


Well, not Black Friday deal per se, but i bought the X1 last month with the "Free Game + 50$ Gift Card" with the Gears Bundle.

I thought it was  pretty good deal!



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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 November 2015
ArchangelMadzz said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Yeah, but Microsoft had a reason to have an advantage in both years. Last year was a $50 price differential, and this year is more key exclusives. They both will have battlefront and I am sure EA will give Microsoft some deal since they've been chummy as of late. We already know Sony has the superior deal with COD. Heh The beta came first on the Xbox One I believe.


BO3 beta was first on PS4, then it came on PC and XB1.

They have no price advantage this year. And the only exclusive they have that's going to sell is Halo 5 which already did pretty badly (in comparison to other Halo's) by Octobers NPD. Sony have all the third party bundles, it's tied to a garanteed billion dollar movie (the console has a big ass freaking Darth Vader on it) Even IF microsoft win it it's going to be close.

Yes, i've already admitted that they no longer had the price advantage. My mistake on the BF beta details then. October was won by Microsoft because of exclusives though. I wouldnt doubt that its going to be close, but I still think Microsoft is going to take November as well as Black Friday will give a boost as well. Sony had some great bundles last year but still lost.



Ganoncrotch on 16 November 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
AEGRO said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
AEGRO said:


The minority said that they wouldnt. Everybody realized that it was Halo month, it was expected that they win the month.

What people didnt expect is that underwhelming sales of Halo software and hardware, even then people still gave the edge to the X1 because of the pre-orders.

I was one that gave the month to the Ps4, but just because i didnt take in account the pre-orders and just went with how i saw the Amazon sales of the month, which had the Ps4 on top almost every week.

I remember quite a few people saying  "exclusives dont matter" , "but sony's dominating"...etc...etc. I was telling them exclusives do matter. Yeah, people were showing the Amazon lists which had to the PS4 ahead as well, but Amazon isnt the NPD. With Sony's hype right now, not many people will be having a lack of confidence in them with or without major exclusives in fourth quarter. Much like the 360 last year they are surviving by the same tactic until next year when the good exclusives drop. Im thinking about getting my PS4 back from my cousin (since I havent been using it) and selling to invest in the special edition Uncharted bundle. I would be so down to do that. Love Uncharted.

 

Apparently, exclusives dont matter to the Xbox One owners seeing how "The Best Line-Up in Xbox History" flopped one by one.

- Forza didnt chart on the NPD, the worst selling Forza in the series.

- Halo 5, the worst selling Halo in the main series.

- Tomb Raider, i dont know about past TR, but it will certtainly sell less than the previous reboot.

So, do exclusives really matter seeing how these games performed?

The not so "X Factor" for this month are the BLOPS3 and STBF Pre-Orders. Both bundles managed to be in the Amazon Top 20 very comfortable thru the entire October.

If Xbox One won Octobers NPD because of its Halo bundle pre orders, which BTW struggled to be in the Top 50s, im seeing the Ps4 breezing thru this month without a sweat, no matter whan happens on Black Friday.


Of course the games are selling worse, the major core gamers who buy large front ended parts of the sales have jumped ship back to Sony where they originally were during the PS2 era. Microsoft only had them for the 360. Trust me that was the first and only gen that Microsoft enjoyed those sales but it was originally Sony on the PS2 who set those standards when they expanded the market. Microsoft is going to have to gain ground and use legs to make their exclusives sell.

If they were on the PS2 during that era, who were the ones buying Halo 1+2 on the original Xbox then? Sorry if the person who said that H5 is the lowest selling in the series is wrong, I've no idea of the figures just pointing out that Halo had a big audience on the original Xbox with its relatively small user base.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 November 2015
Roronaa_chan said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


Rise of the Tomb Raider says goodbye


Fixed that for you..

I assumed you were excluding negligible releases because you said PS4 didn't have any exclusives, which is only true if we operate under that assumption. Don't really want to do another list war


lol.  I only said PS4 lacked major exclusives. Sony has more exclusives but not enough known ones. Dedicated fans will keep those lesser known franchises afloat. Heh



S.T.A.G.E. on 16 November 2015
ganoncrotch said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
AEGRO said:

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Of course the games are selling worse, the major core gamers who buy large front ended parts of the sales have jumped ship back to Sony where they originally were during the PS2 era. Microsoft only had them for the 360. Trust me that was the first and only gen that Microsoft enjoyed those sales but it was originally Sony on the PS2 who set those standards when they expanded the market. Microsoft is going to have to gain ground and use legs to make their exclusives sell.

If they were on the PS2 during that era, who were the ones buying Halo 1+2 on the original Xbox then? Sorry if the person who said that H5 is the lowest selling in the series is wrong, I've no idea of the figures just pointing out that Halo had a big audience on the original Xbox with its relatively small user base.

 Most people bought Xboxes primarily for Halo. Dont event want to know how many used games of Halo 1 & 2 were sold. Even the creators admitted that is Microsoft didnt acquire Halo from under Apples nose that the original Xbox would've been a flop.



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AEGRO on 16 November 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Roronaa_chan said:


Fixed that for you..

I assumed you were excluding negligible releases because you said PS4 didn't have any exclusives, which is only true if we operate under that assumption. Don't really want to do another list war


lol.  I only said PS4 lacked major exclusives. Sony has more exclusives but not enough known ones. Dedicated fans will keep those lesser known franchises afloat. Heh

 

Thats the beauty of the Playstation audience:

Diversity.




ArchangelMadzz on 16 November 2015
S.T.A.G.E. said:
ArchangelMadzz said:


BO3 beta was first on PS4, then it came on PC and XB1.

They have no price advantage this year. And the only exclusive they have that's going to sell is Halo 5 which already did pretty badly (in comparison to other Halo's) by Octobers NPD. Sony have all the third party bundles, it's tied to a garanteed billion dollar movie (the console has a big ass freaking Darth Vader on it) Even IF microsoft win it it's going to be close.

Yes, i've already admitted that they no longer had the price advantage. My mistake on the BF beta details then. October was won by Microsoft because of exclusives though. I wouldnt doubt that its going to be close, but I still think Microsoft is going to take November as well as Black Friday will give a boost as well. Sony had some great bundles last year but still lost.

In a month where no big game came out on Sony's end (includive 3rd party) Uncharted collection was pretty much it and MS won by 30k (10%). This month they have BO3 AND Battlefront. I dunno dude I don't see it going MS' way.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 November 2015
AEGRO said:


lol.  I only said PS4 lacked major exclusives. Sony has more exclusives but not enough known ones. Dedicated fans will keep those lesser known franchises afloat. Heh

 

Thats the beauty of the Playstation audience:

Diversity.

LOL Im like the last person who needs to be told this. Ive been called a Sony fanboy more times because i've always spoken out about Sony's commitment to a diverse libary.  In truth, I believe in owning all consoles if you can afford them. This console war will only screw the customers and give them few incentives. Its better to own as much as you can so you get little grief.



ArchangelMadzz on 16 November 2015

Microsoft missed a huge oppertunity not having a Limited Edition console design with Fallout 4. One of the most dedicated fanbases in the world that got the Pip-boy edition in droves.

I think it would be a different story if they made one.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 16 November 2015
ArchangelMadzz said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Yes, i've already admitted that they no longer had the price advantage. My mistake on the BF beta details then. October was won by Microsoft because of exclusives though. I wouldnt doubt that its going to be close, but I still think Microsoft is going to take November as well as Black Friday will give a boost as well. Sony had some great bundles last year but still lost.

In a month where no big game came out on Sony's end (includive 3rd party) Uncharted collection was pretty much it and MS won by 30k (10%). This month they have BO3 AND Battlefront. I dunno dude I don't see it going MS' way.

Yeah, a Sony admitted that a lot of gamers had missed out on Uncharted and are trying to get caught up before Uncharted 4 launches. It was smart of them to make a collection. As i've said to others before, the hardcore multiplat gamers who contribute to the early sales of these games jump ship back to Sony, so Sony is enjoying the sales Xbox fanboys used to boast ohhhh so heartily about.