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Cobretti2 said:


I looked that graph up the key being

"LinkedIn analysed its member data to see how many new hires were already connected to someone at the company prior to joining, for each industry. When you have a “first degree” connection at a company, you have a better chance at getting in and may be referred to the job by that insider. These are the industries where LinkedIn members hired most from their employee networks:"

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/03/the-industries-where-networking-matters-more-for-getting-a-job/

 

Is it really surprising that the top linkedin users are IT savy jobs or jobs where you need to have an online presence?  Most industries have such a low take up of linkedin users because they do not require that online exposure that the data is essentially meaningless.

 

Yes qualifications play a part in getting a job, but for most industries if you are anti-social and get straight As  vs someone who is social has network connections and gets B/Cs they will be picked over the straight As candidate. 

The only industies I seen that really care about marks is probably law and financial sectors like being an actuary or stock trader.

Linkedin is more than some polytechnic employee advertisement place as it has over 300 million users registered so the data is very much valid for other industries ...

Again even at the extreme, the majority of the new hires are employees without connections ...

For unskilled industries yes grades do not matter much but neither do your connections in that case however if you have a C average it will be very painful to get your first job when big companies will practically filter those applicants so getting straight As does matter a whole lot ... 

Once again qualifications > connections ...



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You didnt learn the most important in life if you cant socialize , you can be a talented Guy, a less talented will have the job because hé has good friends who will speak for him, people dont like lonely persons, they dont trust them, they need to see other people acceptéd this person as their friend.
Same with girls, thats why the less popular You are, the more your chances to get a girl decrease, and at the opposite, the more you are popular among girls and proved you could be accepted by a good amount of them, the more you will have



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fatslob-:O said:
Cobretti2 said:


I looked that graph up the key being

"LinkedIn analysed its member data to see how many new hires were already connected to someone at the company prior to joining, for each industry. When you have a “first degree” connection at a company, you have a better chance at getting in and may be referred to the job by that insider. These are the industries where LinkedIn members hired most from their employee networks:"

http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2015/03/the-industries-where-networking-matters-more-for-getting-a-job/

 

Is it really surprising that the top linkedin users are IT savy jobs or jobs where you need to have an online presence?  Most industries have such a low take up of linkedin users because they do not require that online exposure that the data is essentially meaningless.

 

Yes qualifications play a part in getting a job, but for most industries if you are anti-social and get straight As  vs someone who is social has network connections and gets B/Cs they will be picked over the straight As candidate. 

The only industies I seen that really care about marks is probably law and financial sectors like being an actuary or stock trader.

Linkedin is more than some polytechnic employee advertisement place as it has over 300 million users registered so the data is very much valid for other industries ...

Again even at the extreme, the majority of the new hires are employees without connections ...

For unskilled industries yes grades do not matter much but neither do your connections in that case however if you have a C average it will be very painful to get your first job when big companies will practically filter those applicants so getting straight As does matter a whole lot ... 

Once again qualifications > connections ...


Yer but it also assumes 1st degrees. Not everyone gets a a job because they know someone on linkedin in that company. Most people get a job because of networking outside of linkedin.  i.e. conferences, meet someone through someone at a function or lunch or dinner.   Liek my last job that I got I actually got a call from a person I didn't know. They told me that X recommended you for this role. I was like ok I met X 2 years ago when Y introduced me to him and we got along chatting. X didn't even work at the company that hired me it is that Z asked X did they know anyone suitable over a lunch meeting.

For example, everyone in the electricity industry that I work in pretty much knows everyone in their respected areas. People shift jobs between these companies all the time because they get poached or reocmmended. Most don't even go through formal interviews. 

My graduate job, I got by pure coincidence too. I went to meet a friend for lunch and his companies HR lady happened to be outside the building too. He introduced me to her and we got chatting and found a common interest in playing music instruments. She said why don't you apply for a grad position (which wasn't my major field but close to) and my mate said on the spot "yer he make a good fit". At that point it was jsut a formality because 1) my mate recommended me and 2)  i liked playing music intruments as did she.



 

 

I can feel your pain in having to socialize when your brain is more comfortable with focusing on facts and figures. I guess you like the predictability of the science. Human interaction is so much more complex and contradictionary than science where there is a RIGHT answer to most questions.
My advice for you would be to stay in the academic world, becoming a professor or scientist. There you may feel at home and can find people that probably are more like yourself. There will still be competition, conspiracies and talk behind your back, but in the academic world you probably have a better chance to thrive trough academic merits.



I wish I could be like you. I really hate/dread making long time friendships but at the same time am weak to tell people to f*off and go away. I entirely agree that school is about learning, and socializing is a big major problem to me cause it gets in the way of learning. Don't let these people get in the way you think about it.



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fluky-nintendy said:

I wish I could be like you. I really hate/dread making long time friendships but at the same time am weak to tell people to f*off and go away. I entirely agree that school is about learning, and socializing is a big major problem to me cause it gets in the way of learning. Don't let these people get in the way you think about it.


But you can't function properly in the workplace if you can't socialize.



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After, thinking through for a while, I have realized that the international students are the worst. They are using their influence to try and disseminate lies against me, simply because I didn't want to be their friends. The belong to a hierarchical clique full of corruption and abuse of power. It seems they can't live in a world where one is an individual but rather they MUST, form relationships with all the other international students.

Having worked after college in a job where I did most of the work alone. I got used to not seeing people and not grouping together or asking support from others. But I guess not everyone can be that free.



^ That sounds rather paranoid to me. Good you found a secluded place to work on your own.

I have worked both in a group setting and from home. Although initially working alone from home felt like a lot of freedom, it has its downsides too. Not being in the loop anymore, less influence on decisions and all contact relegated to conference calls and email made things less efficient and created more friction than simply walking over to someone's desk or talk things through at the coffee machine. Maybe that's just the nature of the software industry where its very easy to go off in different directions when working on a large piece of software.

As for socializing itself. When I started working I thought all that team building stuff was bullshit, same as going out for a drink with my co-workers after work. Why would I spend even more time with these people.
Turned out I was wrong. Everyone complains about team building, yet it works. People work together more easily, productivity goes up. Makes sense really. Why would my boss spend tens of thousands of dollars to ship everyone off to a hotel for a weekend to get drunk and do dumb activities during the day. Or hire a boat for a fancy Christmas dinner. Sure the Monday after productivity is down, yet after that there's a boost in cooperation between QA, Marketing and Development, instead of the usual lingering animosity.



ctk495 said:
After, thinking through for a while, I have realized that the international students are the worst. They are using their influence to try and disseminate lies against me, simply because I didn't want to be their friends. The belong to a hierarchical clique full of corruption and abuse of power. It seems they can't live in a world where one is an individual but rather they MUST, form relationships with all the other international students.

Having worked after college in a job where I did most of the work alone. I got used to not seeing people and not grouping together or asking support from others. But I guess not everyone can be that free.


Woah. You are not reading this situation properly at all. Your view of other people is disturbing and your view on what you think they're doing to you is clearly wrong. I would honestly see a professional about this if I was you.



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ctk495 said:
After, thinking through for a while, I have realized that the international students are the worst. They are using their influence to try and disseminate lies against me, simply because I didn't want to be their friends. The belong to a hierarchical clique full of corruption and abuse of power. It seems they can't live in a world where one is an individual but rather they MUST, form relationships with all the other international students.


This literally reads like an extract from Elliot Rodgers manifesto.

I was going to be nice but you seriously need a wake up call. You are NOT better than anyone else in any way, shape or form. You are not going to get anywhere in life if you have the attitude that you are better than everyone else. Especially seeing as that you are already at the bottom of the totem pole. There so many people in the world that are going to be smarter than you and that are actually socially competent. Grades will only get you so far. You NEED social skills in order to progress. There's a reason why so many of the richest people in the world don't have formal qualifications. It's because they know how to network and communicate with people.

It sounds like the reason that nobody respects you is because you are a narcissistic douchebag. You put yourself on a pedestal and you think that you are so much better than everyone else because you read books instead of socialising. Studying and socialising are not mutually exclusive activities. I study hard but I also know that you need to network and create a good reputation for yourself. 

Log off, take your head out of your arse and get some help.