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zorg1000 said:

It's not really up for debate, games like Xenoblade/Bayonetta are not Nintendo's primary concern in terms of games they develop/publish, they make up maybe 10% of Nintendo's output.


Of course it's not up for debate. The entire structure of their current console landscape contradicts you. The way they build their consoles. The way they build their games. I never said they were good at it, but is a primary focus. They may not have an onslaught of first party Bayonetta's, but the machine was definitely built to have them.



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teigaga said:

A system of 50m people is useless if they're only going to buy casual games and Nintendo titles, if the system isn't designed for your audience, you don't expect your product to sell much on it regardless of its userbase. I couldn't speak on the many of the devs that lacked interest in Wii U, I still suspect a lot of it is due to power and percpection but regardless I think you speak in black and white terms regarding a systems potential to sell. The question isn't whether Nintendo was going to win 1st or second place or whether 100% of third party games would be there, but could they comfortably grow beyond the success we've seen on the Wii U. 

It wouldn't have to outsell the Xbox One for it be more successful then the gamepad scheme. One which i don't think attracted any notable amount of the Wii audience, one which also generated confusion through marketing with emphasis on the controller, making it appear like an accessory. With a more powerful Wii U, being the least powerful isn't a huge problem as long as you're offering a generational leap. Would plenty of people hold back and wait for the PS4/X1? Sure! The question really is whether more people would more have adopted the Wii U? I think so, of course assuming this brought it better third party support (I'll agree to disagree on that). We may disagree here too but I don't think the power difference has too much to do with the PS4's success over the XB1. In the markets where X1 is strong (USA/UK), the difference between the platforms is negligable  and can be drawn from the fact X1 was $100 more expensive at launch+bad press etc. Similarly, being weakest of the 3 certainly wouldn't help the 1tflop Wii U, but it doesn't mean it wouldn't find success. It'd be the cheapest of the lot whilst still being very capable system considered a leap over 360/PS3.

N64 and Gamecube may not have hit their sale goals but they were successful at being profitable and satisfying consumer demand. Essentially there is potential in the "me-too" approach, its how the Xbox brand grew. I believe the market is more receptive to it now then it was in the PS2 era where jaugernauts like Final Fantasy, GTA , Tekken and kingdom Hearts were treated like sony 1st party titles. The jaugernauts of today will be whored out to any system where they will make profit without too much effort

We were talking about Nintendo handhelds, so where does "only going to buy casual games and Nintendo titles" even come from? Stuff like JRPGs and other longliving series have always sold well enough. There wasn't any good reason for concern that games wouldn't sell. As for the other portion of that paragraph of yours, growing comfortably beyond the sales numbers of the Wii U with a me-too approach wasn't likely because the GC already struggled big time at lower price points. Additionally (and this goes for your second paragraph), a third place finish isn't good enough. Why should Nintendo be satisfied with such a result? Likewise, the goal for NX can't be to merely outsell the Wii U. NX (the home console variant alone) needs to sell multiple times more than the Wii U. Nintendo has to have the ambition to clearly outdo their results for the eighth generation.

The main reason why the Xbox brand grew last generation is that Sony messed up really hard. We are seeing very different results this generation where Microsoft is basically a non-factor outside of the USA and the UK, and even in their strongest markets they are forced to undercut the PS4 just to keep up. If success for Microsoft requires a Sony that messes up really hard, then this in turn means that success for Nintendo with a me-too approach would require both Sony and Microsoft to mess up; because if only one of them messes up, the other will be the first choice as alternative, so there won't be much left for Nintendo. Placing your bets on factors that are completely outside of your control is an asinine business decision. It's like building your entire strategy in a football match around the hope that the other team scores an own goal while you park the bus for the entire game; well, except that in football the chance for success would still be higher than in the video game business.



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If there seperate SKUs and the console NX sells even 30 million, I think Nintendo will be quite happy with that.



Soundwave said:
I think the bottom line is Nintendo simply does not want to compete with Sony *and* Microsoft. If it was just Sony, that I think they could deal with. Sony is a much smaller company and there's much more room to be profitable even at no.2.

The N64 was a big money maker even at no.2 and that machine would've easily sold double (65-70 million units) if they had used CD-ROM instead versus the Playstation.

But Microsoft just makes the whole "go make a regular console Nintendo!" too untenable to Nintendo. There's not enough room for three consoles that basically all do the same thing and three companies all bidding for the same third party games.

It just leads into a rat race that isn't appealing to Nintendo because Microsoft can simply spend more money and then Nintendo has to match or respond somehow because that are in direct competition.

MS is the one that screwed up everything for Nintendo in the traditional console space, Apple is the one that screwed up everything with casuals for Nintendo. So that's two poisoned wells for them.

I kinda agree, though Nintendo screwed up letting Microsoft into the game. They should have competed with Sony better, but didn't. Microsoft filled that void, and too this day its still like that. Maybe Nintendo should re-consider that buyout offer Microsoft made to them.



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Maybe that just means it really is some kind of portable? Mayyyybe? Please? T___T



mountaindewslave said:
tokilamockingbrd said:
oh gawd. Will Nintendo ever learn. Generally, people don't want to buy a product when they know the product sitting right next to it is more powerful.

Nintendo is trying to recreate the Wii again it seems. They could succeed, but the odds are against them.


they will certainly suceed to some degree if they handheld / console markets are combined- all they need to do is make some Mario, Pokemon, Fire Emblem games and pull in their handheld market and a lot of them will get the home and portable consoles just for  common sense of being able to play their games anywhere

I do agree though that it is a bit naive from Nintendo to think long term they can skate by without bringing top of the line graphics. what makes it more awkward is that console graphics (PS4 / Xbox One) are sooo far behind even average priced gaming computers and Nintendo has been considerably behind the other consoles which means that Nintendo's systems have been trailing by a monumentous amount in terms of specs

obviously graphics aren't everything but you don't expect to be like a decade lagging in the department. invest the money! don't be cheap, that's my advice to Nintendo. spend the money while you have it

That's an absolutely false statement. PS4 and XB1 are comparable to $400-$50 PC's which can be considered average priced computers. So they are nowhere near being soo far behind PC's as you say.



spemanig said:
zorg1000 said:

It's not really up for debate, games like Xenoblade/Bayonetta are not Nintendo's primary concern in terms of games they develop/publish, they make up maybe 10% of Nintendo's output.


Of course it's not up for debate. The entire structure of their current console landscape contradicts you. The way they build their consoles. The way they build their games. I never said they were good at it, but is a primary focus. They may not have an onslaught of first party Bayonetta's, but the machine was definitely built to have them.


The way they build their games supports that games like Bayonetta are a primary focus? That makes no sense. We have been talking about Nintendo's own output this whole time so 3rd parties aren't relevant to this discussion.

Saying goes games like Bayonetta is the primary focus of Nintendo is like saying games such as Tearaway are Sony's primary concern despite games like Killzone, Infamous, Uncharted, God of War, Gran Turismo, Horizon out numbering them by a significant margin.



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Interesting that many believes (naively) that problem between Nintendo and third parties will be solved by power.
Anyway, in line with rumors and Iwata hints.

My thoughts in regards on the NX:

The NX family will be a very modern machine, not powerful (as many uses both terms as if they means the same thing) as the PS4 because is intended to do something else. The main attractive feature will be the shared OS and library. It will feel more Apple/mobile than a traditional console in the way that it will truly feels like a bridge between the mobile market and the traditional one.

Regardless of power, the NX will be very capable of produce great looking games like Xenoblade X and Mario Kart 8. It will be very dev friendly, even mobile devs will be able to easily ports their games to the device. I suspect the OS will be something clean, simple and easy to navigate.



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