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Yes! Nintendo would be doomed as 3rd party! 50 29.59%
 
No, Nintendo would kick ass as 3rd party! 51 30.18%
 
lulz didn't read ^^ 34 20.12%
 
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The only people saying "Yes, Nintendo should go third party", are dumbass analysts who don't actually understand video games, and MS/Sony fanboys who just want Nintendo franchises on their console of choice.

I would wager that a majority of gamers, even those who are not huge Nintendo fans, but are also not fanboys in the other direction, would agree that Nintendo remaining first party and making their own consoles, is good for the industry.

 

The more I think about it, the more I really do feel that it would be good if this rumor of a "unified" console/portable platform for their next system would be the best way for them to go. That way all their development efforts would be on one system, and they could put all their resources into making that one console, which takes the WiiU/GamePad idea further, making it a true "play at home or on the go" experience. I think that would work out well for everybody.



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sabastian said:
I say an astounding YES !

I say this with 3 reasons in mind.

1- Their resume of games are heavily geared to the kid gaming community. That 5-16 age range will be pure gold to them sales wise on say a Playstation 4/ XB1 console.

2- Most gamer's own 2 consoles. With a move towards a 3rd party software focus, the big N now does not have to focus o console sales. With the PS4 selling almost 20 million and the XB1 at approx 11 million consoles sold, the big N would see healthy software sales on both consoles.

3- With the power of the Playstation 4, the big N can now shift their focus to 2 main focuses. they can now go back to making great games and now they do not have to focus on creating too much new IP's. Their stable of established franchises along with a massive backlog will ensure them successful as a multi platform developer.

But what am I thinking, the big N will NEVER go 3rd party. It makes way too much sense.

Terrible thought. Then they would become a constant rehash company with nothing more to offer. 

And the second bolded is a great thing.



ICStats said:
Skullwaker said:
Considering the people who always cry for Nintendo to go third party are the same ones who refuse to buy Nintendo consoles to play games that they supposedly want, I'd take their opinions with a grain of salt.

Gamers on forums != all people.  It's about the overall numbers, not about some PS/XB fans saying Nintendo should go 3rd party (in hope they are doomed).

PS4+XB1 userbase is going to be nearing 10X the Wii U user base, and they will sell for longer.  Even with weaker attach rates than to Wii U, Nintendo would be healthy as 3rd party on those and it could expand it's brand.

Only true if we do not take into account handhelds... Like at all. With the 3DS, Nintendo consoles as a whole will be right up there with everything else (well actually beating Microsoft fairly easily). This isn't just a Wii U situation. 



V-r0cK said:
generic-user-1 said:

yes? i cant see that. 

and dont come with 3d world, the cat is clearly targeted at the internet and women, not at kids.

Well it just seemed pretty evident.  Alot of their characters look brightly colourful and cartoony faces so obviously many can mistaken them for kiddish games.  Also their gameplay/controls isn't that difficult either that a kid can easily grasp how to play it.  

Soon, Nintendo will have Splatoon.  The title already sounds kiddish! And whats the concept of that game? To splash others with paint in some sort of childish game of man-hunt or capture the flag. Speaking of which, alot of Nintendo's game titles sounds kiddish too! 

So you can't see how Nintendo games can look kiddie, but you clearly see that Mario 3D world was targeting the internet and women.  Because we all know kids don't like cats too, nor do they like to watch cat videos......sounds like you're just picking and choosing what you want to see. 

colourfull and cartoony is for kids?  well thats new for me.  sure i like my milk, cookies and saturday morning cartoons in the 90s, but ohh boy, those cartoons were not made for children. dragonball was realy dirty sometimes, and Rocko was working for a sexhotline. and dont forgett that nowadays the best selling  cartoons are made for adults, not children.

splatoon is a fine jokename, i realy like it, even if it makes me a bit angry that charlie sheen didnt get an oscar for platoon...

and most nintendo games dont sound kiddish, they sound like innocent fun and a good time.

nintendo makes games everyone can enjoy, the other companys focus mostly on teens with "mature" games, but there is nothing mature about a bad told war story and  a grey world.



ICStats said:
Gamers on forums != all people.  It's about the overall numbers, not about some PS/XB fans saying Nintendo should go 3rd party (in hope they are doomed).

PS4+XB1 userbase is going to be nearing 10X the Wii U user base, and they will sell for longer.  Even with weaker attach rates than to Wii U, Nintendo would be healthy as 3rd party on those and it could expand it's brand.

While this is true, it's also true that the average CoD player (aka, the "casuals" of the PS/XB market) does not care about Nintendo games. So, while the Nintendo fans would move over to support them, I really don't think a lot of other consumers would be interested. At least, not enough to offset the additional costs of developing for multiple platforms, as well as having to split the profits between console manufacturers (something they don't have to worry about right now).

I do agree that Nintendo would be healthy as a 3rd party (at least, for a time), but I don't think they would be substantially more healthy than they are now. And I certainly don't think this move would benefit them in the long term. It would be, at best, a temporary solution.



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generic-user-1 said:
V-r0cK said:
generic-user-1 said:
 

yes? i cant see that. 

and dont come with 3d world, the cat is clearly targeted at the internet and women, not at kids.

Well it just seemed pretty evident.  Alot of their characters look brightly colourful and cartoony faces so obviously many can mistaken them for kiddish games.  Also their gameplay/controls isn't that difficult either that a kid can easily grasp how to play it.  

Soon, Nintendo will have Splatoon.  The title already sounds kiddish! And whats the concept of that game? To splash others with paint in some sort of childish game of man-hunt or capture the flag. Speaking of which, alot of Nintendo's game titles sounds kiddish too! 

So you can't see how Nintendo games can look kiddie, but you clearly see that Mario 3D world was targeting the internet and women.  Because we all know kids don't like cats too, nor do they like to watch cat videos......sounds like you're just picking and choosing what you want to see. 

colourfull and cartoony is for kids?  well thats new for me.  sure i like my milk, cookies and saturday morning cartoons in the 90s, but ohh boy, those cartoons were not made for children. dragonball was realy dirty sometimes, and Rocko was working for a sexhotline. and dont forgett that nowadays the best selling  cartoons are made for adults, not children.

splatoon is a fine jokename, i realy like it, even if it makes me a bit angry that charlie sheen didnt get an oscar for platoon...

and most nintendo games dont sound kiddish, they sound like innocent fun and a good time.

nintendo makes games everyone can enjoy, the other companys focus mostly on teens with "mature" games, but there is nothing mature about a bad told war story and  a grey world.

I never said colourful and cartoony is only for kids, but it is kiddish because majority of designs that are colourful and cartoony are aimed towards/appeal to kids.  Look at the majority of animation movies, Pixar movies (Frozen, Finding Nemo etc..) and tell me who are the majority viewers?  You'll be full of yourself if you say its not kids.  Parents take their kids to watch that. Why? Because the appearance looks suitable for kids regardless if there are some mature content.  I never said all of Nintendo games are kiddy looking, i said most.  There are exceptions, just like how DBZ is an exception, but that should be given because the concept of DBZ is human-like fighting/killing human-like.  Think of a number of Nintendo games and the main character and their villains.  I bet you alot of their villains aren't even human-like, and more so friendly looking ie. Goombas, plants, pokemons etc.  

Splatoon is a fine joke name but its so simple of a joke that kids can understand.  And when you think if 'Platoon' you think of the movie and not the actual term meaning of a group of soldiers? Already you show how uniquely different you see things.  You don't think titles like Kirby's dreamland or marty party doesn't sound more attracting to kids?  They sound innocent and fun sure, just like how kids are also innocent and fun.

Yes Nintendo makes games everyone can enjoy, including kids! So if you want to market anything that kids can enjoy too then you'll have to make it look kiddy!!!  Hence back to my original point that alot of Nintendo games look kiddy.  You said it, I just elaborated and explained what you said ;P

....I don't know if you're serious about all of this or you're just trying to work me up >.>  If you don't believe me then do what I did and go work at a video game store/department and ask a bunch of kids and parents.  



More "benevolent" reasons why Nintendo should go 3rd party........ I find it confusing how people don't seem to realize that every argument they can give for Nintendo going 3rd party can just as easily be aimed at Sony or MS.

Power -
Power does not equal good games. It never has and it never will. This gen up to this point is all the evidence you need of this. If you firmly believe that power is required to make captivating and engaging software, then you also believe that Sony and MS should stop making consoles and develop exclusively for pc.

Profits -
I think this one is obvious. If you think Nintendo should go 3rd party because their software can reach more people and make more profits.... well guess what? You also believe that Sony and MS should have left gaming a long time ago. They both have sustained long periods of massive loss in this market. They could both reach more consumers selling their software on other systems.







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V-r0cK said:
generic-user-1 said:
V-r0cK said:
generic-user-1 said:
 

yes? i cant see that. 

and dont come with 3d world, the cat is clearly targeted at the internet and women, not at kids.

Well it just seemed pretty evident.  Alot of their characters look brightly colourful and cartoony faces so obviously many can mistaken them for kiddish games.  Also their gameplay/controls isn't that difficult either that a kid can easily grasp how to play it.  

Soon, Nintendo will have Splatoon.  The title already sounds kiddish! And whats the concept of that game? To splash others with paint in some sort of childish game of man-hunt or capture the flag. Speaking of which, alot of Nintendo's game titles sounds kiddish too! 

So you can't see how Nintendo games can look kiddie, but you clearly see that Mario 3D world was targeting the internet and women.  Because we all know kids don't like cats too, nor do they like to watch cat videos......sounds like you're just picking and choosing what you want to see. 

colourfull and cartoony is for kids?  well thats new for me.  sure i like my milk, cookies and saturday morning cartoons in the 90s, but ohh boy, those cartoons were not made for children. dragonball was realy dirty sometimes, and Rocko was working for a sexhotline. and dont forgett that nowadays the best selling  cartoons are made for adults, not children.

splatoon is a fine jokename, i realy like it, even if it makes me a bit angry that charlie sheen didnt get an oscar for platoon...

and most nintendo games dont sound kiddish, they sound like innocent fun and a good time.

nintendo makes games everyone can enjoy, the other companys focus mostly on teens with "mature" games, but there is nothing mature about a bad told war story and  a grey world.

I never said colourful and cartoony is only for kids, but it is kiddish because majority of designs that are colourful and cartoony are aimed towards/appeal to kids.  Look at the majority of animation movies, Pixar movies (Frozen, Finding Nemo etc..) and tell me who are the majority viewers?  You'll be full of yourself if you say its not kids.  Parents take their kids to watch that. Why? Because the appearance looks suitable for kids regardless if there are some mature content.  I never said all of Nintendo games are kiddy looking, i said most.  There are exceptions, just like how DBZ is an exception, but that should be given because the concept of DBZ is human-like fighting/killing human-like.  Think of a number of Nintendo games and the main character and their villains.  I bet you alot of their villains aren't even human-like, and more so friendly looking ie. Goombas, plants, pokemons etc.  

Splatoon is a fine joke name but its so simple of a joke that kids can understand.  And when you think if 'Platoon' you think of the movie and not the actual term meaning of a group of soldiers? Already you show how uniquely different you see things.  You don't think titles like Kirby's dreamland or marty party doesn't sound more attracting to kids?  They sound innocent and fun sure, just like how kids are also innocent and fun.

Yes Nintendo makes games everyone can enjoy, including kids! So if you want to market anything that kids can enjoy too then you'll have to make it look kiddy!!!  Hence back to my original point that alot of Nintendo games look kiddy.  You said it, I just elaborated and explained what you said ;P

....I don't know if you're serious about all of this or you're just trying to work me up >.>  If you don't believe me then do what I did and go work at a video game store/department and ask a bunch of kids and parents.  

do you know an adult that didnt enjoys good disney cartoons?  lionking is the best hamlet movie possible.

and i wasnt talking about dbz, dbz is just BORING and lost all the magic.

 

do you realy thing kids know what a platoon is? and what is wrong with a dreamland? or a party? is that just for kids?

and there is no such thing as "kiddy". they look CUTE, but a lot of people like cute things, the only group that doesnt openly enjoys cute things are males between 12 and 20. TEENS! Teens arent mature or adult and they dont care about adult themes or mature storys, all they care about is what others think(sure some are different, but we are all clever enough to know that exceptions are allways implicated).

a good book or movie for children has much more mature elemtents than a cod campaign, why? because the western way of telling childrensstorys wasnt invented as a way of telling storys to children, it was invented to teach uneducated people moral lessons, and those were brutal, and were just toned down a little when told to children.

"just like how kids are also innocent and fun." well this is unintentionelly funny...