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Yes! Nintendo would be doomed as 3rd party! 50 29.59%
 
No, Nintendo would kick ass as 3rd party! 51 30.18%
 
lulz didn't read ^^ 34 20.12%
 
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Skullwaker said:
Considering the people who always cry for Nintendo to go third party are the same ones who refuse to buy Nintendo consoles to play games that they supposedly want, I'd take their opinions with a grain of salt.

Gamers on forums != all people.  It's about the overall numbers, not about some PS/XB fans saying Nintendo should go 3rd party (in hope they are doomed).

PS4+XB1 userbase is going to be nearing 10X the Wii U user base, and they will sell for longer.  Even with weaker attach rates than to Wii U, Nintendo would be healthy as 3rd party on those and it could expand it's brand.



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Nintendo shouldn't go 3rd party and here's why
In this example let's say Mario kart 8 sold 3 million units on the Wii u and made 500,000 people buy Wii u's. After making $180,000,000 off of mk8 and 150,000,000 off of hardware their profits would be 330,000,000. Let's say mk8 was on ps4, xb1 and PC and it moved 5,000,000 units they would come up short with only 300,000,000 in profits. Nintendo wouldn't see their typical profits because the audience for their games is primary on their consoles and without those people buying their systems that's a huge chunk of revenue gone. And the mobile market is out of the question. Mobile games thrive based on cheap entry prices and micro transactions. Nintendo could never get away with charging $20+ for iPhone games so unless all they make is games like Pokemon shuffle that is not a viable market for them



No, not everyone wants them. But some do, besides that there would also be those that already buy Nintendo consoles that would still buy their games on other consoles.

Oh and the argument that people don't buy Nintendo consoles because they consider them to have 'kiddy' games doesn't work. Not all of Nintendo's games really appeal to kids in the first place, but regardless of that the issue for most people is that is the only thing Nintendo has. There are undoubtedly people that aren't interested in many of games but are in 1 or 2, say Zelda or Xenoblade, they aren't going to buy a console solely for 1 or 2 games but if they were on a console they already owned they would buy them.

Then you are forgetting about a pretty huge factor. PC. You focused solely on how they would sell on other consoles, but being 3rd party would mean their games would be on other consoles as well as PC. PC would be a pretty big potential market for them as well.



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collint0101 said:
Nintendo shouldn't go 3rd party and here's why
In this example let's say Mario kart 8 sold 3 million units on the Wii u and made 500,000 people buy Wii u's. After making $180,000,000 off of mk8 and 150,000,000 off of hardware their profits would be 330,000,000. Let's say mk8 was on ps4, xb1 and PC and it moved 5,000,000 units they would come up short with only 300,000,000 in profits. Nintendo wouldn't see their typical profits because the audience for their games is primary on their consoles and without those people buying their systems that's a huge chunk of revenue gone. And the mobile market is out of the question. Mobile games thrive based on cheap entry prices and micro transactions. Nintendo could never get away with charging $20+ for iPhone games so unless all they make is games like Pokemon shuffle that is not a viable market for them

Your example doesn't work mathematically. If they sold 3 million copies of the game they would only get about $102,000,000 (retailer share, distribution cost etc come out of it). Then if they sold 500k Wii U's, well actually I think they still make a loss on every Wii U sold, even if they don't the profit margin is very small. Let's just say they make $0 from that in case they don't make a loss anymore (first few years definitely did though).

Now on the other side, 5 million copies as a 3rd party would make them $135,000,000 (same expenses as above + platform royalties)
Source for breakdown of sales revenue http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/3/38417/2368348-1289873-gameanatomy_super.jpg

So Mario Kart 1st party release = $102m profit
Mario Kart 3rd party release = $135m profit
Therefore going 3rd party would increase profit by $33m

Of course, it isn't as simple as this and there are many other factors to consider such as the money they make in platform royalties on 2nd/3rd party games and of course how it would affect smaller games that don't sell as much as MK. But still, it disproves your example.



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ICStats said:
generic-user-1 said:
whats a kiddie game? is mk a kiddie game? well most players of mk8 are 20+ and drinking a lot of beer while playing.
or is bayonetta a kiddie game? i mean kids love boobs, but so do men... or DKCTF? a game that makes grown men cry because its so hard?

Uhh, is that what you really think?  I think those would be the minority.

thats what the numbers say, the majority of wiiu owner is male and 20+.



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generic-user-1 said:
ICStats said:
generic-user-1 said:
whats a kiddie game? is mk a kiddie game? well most players of mk8 are 20+ and drinking a lot of beer while playing.
or is bayonetta a kiddie game? i mean kids love boobs, but so do men... or DKCTF? a game that makes grown men cry because its so hard?

Uhh, is that what you really think?  I think those would be the minority.

thats what the numbers say, the majority of wiiu owner is male and 20+.

I am one of those majority Wii U owners! xD

But to be honest, Nintendo games may not be kiddie, but majority of them do look kiddie.



generic-user-1 said:
ICStats said:
generic-user-1 said:
whats a kiddie game? is mk a kiddie game? well most players of mk8 are 20+ and drinking a lot of beer while playing.
or is bayonetta a kiddie game? i mean kids love boobs, but so do men... or DKCTF? a game that makes grown men cry because its so hard?

Uhh, is that what you really think?  I think those would be the minority.

thats what the numbers say, the majority of wiiu owner is male and 20+.

Is this based on eShop demographics (i.e. who puts in their credit card for their kid?)  I'm one of those, 35+ whose account is on eShop as well, but the games are mostly played by my kids.



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V-r0cK said:
generic-user-1 said:
ICStats said:
generic-user-1 said:
whats a kiddie game? is mk a kiddie game? well most players of mk8 are 20+ and drinking a lot of beer while playing.
or is bayonetta a kiddie game? i mean kids love boobs, but so do men... or DKCTF? a game that makes grown men cry because its so hard?

Uhh, is that what you really think?  I think those would be the minority.

thats what the numbers say, the majority of wiiu owner is male and 20+.

I am one of those majority Wii U owners! xD

But to be honest, Nintendo games may not be kiddie, but majority of them do look kiddie.

yes? i cant see that. 

and dont come with 3d world, the cat is clearly targeted at the internet and women, not at kids.



Nintendo going third party would be the best thing for gamers, and Nintendo.The expanded audience would favor all involved.



generic-user-1 said:
V-r0cK said:
generic-user-1 said:
ICStats said:
generic-user-1 said:
whats a kiddie game? is mk a kiddie game? well most players of mk8 are 20+ and drinking a lot of beer while playing.
or is bayonetta a kiddie game? i mean kids love boobs, but so do men... or DKCTF? a game that makes grown men cry because its so hard?

Uhh, is that what you really think?  I think those would be the minority.

thats what the numbers say, the majority of wiiu owner is male and 20+.

I am one of those majority Wii U owners! xD

But to be honest, Nintendo games may not be kiddie, but majority of them do look kiddie.

yes? i cant see that. 

and dont come with 3d world, the cat is clearly targeted at the internet and women, not at kids.

Well it just seemed pretty evident.  Alot of their characters look brightly colourful and cartoony faces so obviously many can mistaken them for kiddish games.  Also their gameplay/controls isn't that difficult either that a kid can easily grasp how to play it.  

Soon, Nintendo will have Splatoon.  The title already sounds kiddish! And whats the concept of that game? To splash others with paint in some sort of childish game of man-hunt or capture the flag. Speaking of which, alot of Nintendo's game titles sounds kiddish too! 

So you can't see how Nintendo games can look kiddie, but you clearly see that Mario 3D world was targeting the internet and women.  Because we all know kids don't like cats too, nor do they like to watch cat videos......sounds like you're just picking and choosing what you want to see.