But yet the burned smashed table manages to work the best as a table (games critically rate higher). Lol. IT IS JUST LIKE IKEA!

That poll says the answer is no, I think by this point we all know 1 game isnt gonna go all PS4 on us. I do however think that Smash can be a catalyst for it being "Saved" (since everyone in this comment section seems to have a different definition for what would be considered saved)

Off the top of my head I count 8 games scheduled to come out next year, 9 in Europe, and We're not even done with 2014 (plus pretty sure I forgot some) so if Nintendo times their releases right it could redeem itself, again, no PS4 or Wii over here, but no "Wii U is DEEEED" either

That's what they said about Mario Kart 8.
So much crow was served to the haters and doubters, it was glorious.

For those of you who chose "Big boost, but temporary" let me remind you how Nintendo's First Parties aren't made to boost temporary sales. Their games aim to boost long-term sales, because they know that software sells hardware, and their software is the only thing keeping them going. Smash will not only get them out of this little hole that they're in, but will also lead to system sellers and eventually more software sales as long as the Wii U continuously keeps pushing out AAA titles as it is doing now.

The only way Smash will turn into temporary sales is if the majority of people who are getting the game during the holidays gets it at the same time frame (a couple of months) and that's it. We know Nintendo and its history of First Party sales - this will not happen; Even if Smash sales are temporary, Wii U sales will still skyrocket thanks to the Smash holiday release. If Wii U sales skyrocket, then Smash sales will be permanent for the entirety of the Wii U (my guess is 20,000 copies world wide all next year). It's just how Nintendo works its magic with the holiday and big titles.

Yes, that was a neat way to say that out of 3 itinerations, MK outsold SSB twice and was outlsod once. But it is more "doomy" if you say it happened "on almost every console they've both appeared on, with just one exception".

I don't know out it will turn out this time around but you have to consider the following aspects:

1) The 1st win MK had over SSB, in the N64 era, MK was already a well stablished franchise and at the time no one knew SSB and at the time fighting games were very popular and were like all brutal or gory or hardcore, etc etc (Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, etc). Much like will happen with Splatton coming out in an era were shooters have to be hardcore and mature and all that bs.

2) The 2nd win for MK (Wii era) was actually a massacre considering the MK Vs SSB sales. But it came at a generation where lots of Nintendo adopters were casuals, and has we all know MK attends to both core and casual gamers needs while SSB don't.

3) Following what was said in point 2), SSB only win was in Gamecube era. This era so far is the most core Nintendo gamer era there was on Nintendo consoles. Gamecube didn't sold tons but also didn't sold to the casuals. In this generation they were with Sony.  In my opinion in Wii U era there is a trend very much similar to Gamecube, that mainly Nintendo core gamers/fans are going to buy a Wii U.

Having said all that I believe that the SSB Vs MK sales debate will have a much smaller gap between.

Wii U sales are already back to sub-100k levels after a month of Mario Kart 8's release. Nintendo can "aim" to do whatever they want, consumers are the ones who are voting with their wallets though. 

Wii U sales will be back in the gutter by Jan/Feb 2015, and there's not anything Smash is going to do to change that IMO. I could be wrong but Wii U sales for September 2014 were actually *down* year over year even with Mario Kart 8 and Hyrule Warriors ... there is no momentum here at all. 

Err ... what long term sales boost has the Wii U really gotten from MK8? It gave the Wii U one month of sales above 100k in the North America and then it was right back to sub-100k mediocre sales by August. That's not a huge boost, it's huge only in the sense that the original Wii U baseline is so low. 

I think actually Wii U sales as stated above are lower for September 2014 vs. September 2013 ... which is pretty sad actually. 

As for the topic itself, in line with what I said in previous post, I think it will behave similarly with MK8.

I guess we have to wait and see. I'm not expecting any miracles.

There is no savior to be found, which has been clear for some time now. I think that Smash will do very well and the Wii U will have a decent holiday, we'll see grand predictions of massive growth for 2015 and then, come january and february, hardware sales will collapse again, quite possibly leading into a year with no growth or even down yoy on 2014.
The fact that the Wii U has been given the last chance about a dozen times already should be very telling.

That's what I think, but let's have some patience and see (yet again).