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Not really. I was born in '86, so the previous generation of gamers for me are probably baby boomers, and they feel superior in every facet of life, even though they've done the most damage. I just tune them out.



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My first gaming console was PONG. So, i have been plying on consoles for nearly forty years. I agree that games are different today, but no less hard or no harder. Games back in the early days focused more on one's ability to hit a button at precisely the right instant at precisely the right spot. The games were very linear. Add to that, the controllers be only minutely accurate, it was a challenge.

Now, with the capabilities to accomplish a goal or task from multiple different locations, it is completely different. If anything, games now prove who has all aspects of skill versus one or 2.



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The problem you have is that you read the YouTube comments.



Psychotic said:

I just watched a Youtube video by Rich from ReviewTechUSA where he almost &#$@ himself because apparently today's teens can't play NES games very well. That's pretty dumb, but when you look at the comments...

Today's games hold your hand all the time!
Today's games are too easy!
Finishing a game used to mean something!
Today's gamers suck at gaming!
Mainstream games are made for toddlers!

...reminds me of my grandpa talking about how I dress or talk.

(I started gaming in 1996, so I'm not a complete newb either, but I don't look down on younger gamers for not enjoying the games I used to play back then, because I realize that's just nostalgia value and these game suck compared to today's games...)


I'm not a dick to young gamers but it IS true... most of the COD teens couldn't beat the original Ninja Gaiden if their lives depended on it. Us older gamers have a skill set they will never have.



prayformojo said:
Psychotic said:

I just watched a Youtube video by Rich from ReviewTechUSA where he almost &#$@ himself because apparently today's teens can't play NES games very well. That's pretty dumb, but when you look at the comments...

Today's games hold your hand all the time!
Today's games are too easy!
Finishing a game used to mean something!
Today's gamers suck at gaming!
Mainstream games are made for toddlers!

...reminds me of my grandpa talking about how I dress or talk.

(I started gaming in 1996, so I'm not a complete newb either, but I don't look down on younger gamers for not enjoying the games I used to play back then, because I realize that's just nostalgia value and these game suck compared to today's games...)


I'm not a dick to young gamers but it IS true... most of the COD teens couldn't beat the original Ninja Gaiden if their lives depended on it. Us older gamers have a skill set they will never have.

But they would never need it. So is that a big deal? And frankly those games are BS with their diffcuilty. I grew up on NES. I have my NES. And use it all the time. And won't play that series, ever. There's a point where hard becomes BS. I love playing TMNT 1, for example. It's annoying as hell with all the enemy spawning and junk. But Gaiden goes beyond that.



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No, I respect the older gamers and the old games they played. And I try my best to go out there and experience the old games and consoles.

I am not the model teenage gamer? :P



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archer9234 said:
prayformojo said:
Psychotic said:

I just watched a Youtube video by Rich from ReviewTechUSA where he almost &#$@ himself because apparently today's teens can't play NES games very well. That's pretty dumb, but when you look at the comments...

Today's games hold your hand all the time!
Today's games are too easy!
Finishing a game used to mean something!
Today's gamers suck at gaming!
Mainstream games are made for toddlers!

...reminds me of my grandpa talking about how I dress or talk.

(I started gaming in 1996, so I'm not a complete newb either, but I don't look down on younger gamers for not enjoying the games I used to play back then, because I realize that's just nostalgia value and these game suck compared to today's games...)


I'm not a dick to young gamers but it IS true... most of the COD teens couldn't beat the original Ninja Gaiden if their lives depended on it. Us older gamers have a skill set they will never have.

But they would never need it. So is that a big deal? And frankly those games are BS with their diffcuilty. I grew up on NES. And won't play that series, ever.

Whether it was cheap or not, it was very possible to do. The difference is, you had to KEEP AT IT. It took more will, more drive and more dedication to beat. You died over and over and over again to the point of madness and only the strongest willed gamers survived.



Gnac said:
2Ultra said:
I hit level 99 up hill, both ways, in snow, speed run, perfect health, no armor upgrade, and the only difficulty that existed was Contra.

Do you even Takeshi no Chousenjou


Oh, you mean training simulator 1.0? 



prayformojo said:
archer9234 said:
prayformojo said:
Psychotic said:

I just watched a Youtube video by Rich from ReviewTechUSA where he almost &#$@ himself because apparently today's teens can't play NES games very well. That's pretty dumb, but when you look at the comments...

Today's games hold your hand all the time!
Today's games are too easy!
Finishing a game used to mean something!
Today's gamers suck at gaming!
Mainstream games are made for toddlers!

...reminds me of my grandpa talking about how I dress or talk.

(I started gaming in 1996, so I'm not a complete newb either, but I don't look down on younger gamers for not enjoying the games I used to play back then, because I realize that's just nostalgia value and these game suck compared to today's games...)


I'm not a dick to young gamers but it IS true... most of the COD teens couldn't beat the original Ninja Gaiden if their lives depended on it. Us older gamers have a skill set they will never have.

But they would never need it. So is that a big deal? And frankly those games are BS with their diffcuilty. I grew up on NES. And won't play that series, ever.

Whether it was cheap or not, it was very possible to do. The difference is, you had to KEEP AT IT. It took more will, more drive and more dedication to beat. You died over and over and over again to the point of madness and only the strongest willed gamers survived.

Beating a game was something you bragged about. Now? Nobody gives a shit. Story mode is boring. They just skip it and shoot people online.

Not everyone likes to do that. When a game drives me mad. Where I have to see the same few levels/boss/some junk 3 hrs straight. It's not fun and will not continue the game. I don't enjoy that stuff. I did just that in Skyward Sword. And I never quit a Zelda game before. Fighting the monster trapped in the stone 3 times did not feel rewarding. It felt like the game makers needed to make the game 20 hrs long. When they had only 17 hrs of content.

A perfect example is when I see a AI character, in a fighting game blantely do things a human can't do. It's cheap and not worth my time. I have to end up finding the cheapest way to beat the AI. That's not fun anymore. it usually ends up me picking the cheap character. And spaming the fastest move in a corner. Being difficult is rewarding. making me stoop to someting cheap isn't. Like I totally loved losing so many times when I played Pokemon for the first time. I wanted to beat the E4 so badly. The AI was fairly good and not too cheap. Now, if the E4 did protect, disable on top of full restore spam. I would have a very different look towards the series.

I've disected Injustic God Amoung us. Because I got that mad towards AI Superman once. To beat the AI. I had to Macro combo onmy keyboard. I dialed it in, till I finally won out. By having a 15ms delay on a a whole combo.  A human can't even press two buttons in that time, before the AI superman activates his heat vision combo. Let alone deal with input delay between human response, then the controller.

But I will also never like games that do things like Skyward Sword did. With all that handholding. And spaming you with info every time. There needs to be that good blanace between easy and hard. Or basic features. The game would get less hate about its tutorials, if they build in a off option.



I have thought about it. The thread is talking about difficulty a lot, but I think this is missing the point. Old games aren't per se more difficult than current ones, there are always difficult games and easy games. Was Tetris difficult? It started easy and got more and more difficult. Maybe it is the most difficult game ever, because no one finished it. Monkey Island made jokes, that you could die in other games, because in LucasArts games you didn't die. Zen Pinball today isn't easier than the Pinball games from DICE were.

No, it is something else. It is that today a lot of games are getting taken away the gameplay. I recently played Tomb Raider (as an old one I know, that games make as much fun after a year than they do on first day, so don't bother me why I start playing the game so late). In some sequences the only thing you have to press is forward on the left stick. I tried it out to press anything else - the game is only accepting forward. Anything else has no effect. In other sequences the only thing you can do is steer left and right. It reminded me of these old LCD-games with a car that has to avoid obstacles and only two buttons to steer left and right. Shooting is the only real gameplay-part, that even that feels cheap. In the beginning I can avoid bigger fights, by taking out the enemies silently. But later the enemies spot me scripted and I have go through the fight, so that scripted the exit from that level is available. If I play cautious or run into a fight guns blazing isn't of importance, I don't play the game it plays itself.

And here is my point. A game like Tomb Raider has a story even Michael Bay would be ashamed of (look, do you know any decent movie based on a game). It has graphics that are far far worse than you can see in movies. It only has a small bit more gameplay than a movie. But still I have to pay multiple times as much money as if I want to watch a movie in the cinema or buy it on DVD/Bluray.

The problem I have with a lot of modern games is: they are a ripoff. And no one tells me that I can't complain about a ripoff, because I'm only nostalgic or are angry because gaming changed or because I can't play modern games. I have every right to complain about ripoffs, and that is in no way arrogant.

That said: clearly not all modern games are ripoffs. There are still many good games with great value. Some recent examples are Demon's Souls, Monster Hunter Tri, Etrian Odyssey or Deus Ex: Human Revolution.



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