Forums - Gaming Discussion - PS3 wasn't a Late Bloomer, Neither was 360 and Neither will Wii U

Zekkyou said:
Well they were technically "late bloomers" when comparing their starting sales and later sales, but i get what you mean.

Like i said in the other thread, the WiiU is in its second year and is selling worse at $300 than the PS3 did in its first at $600. The WiiU sold 54k this week versus the 92.5k that the PS3 sold during the same week back in 2007 (its worst year).

Sure the WiiU could suddenly find success, but it's not something any sane person who has looked at the facts would bet on.


Conversely, the WiiU doesn't actually have to do what PS3 has had to do to recoup losses. The PS3 was and will always remain financial ruinous and this was during a much less choked era of gaming with only the on-set of tablets and smart phones. Had the PS3 come out now, Sony would go belly-up rather than just teetering on the edge of imploding. (Which, oddly enough, may happen to the Xbox brand.)

I think when people speak about blooming they mean that the WiiU is slowly recouping on its expenses and will ultimately end up profitable even with lower sales, and may help Nintendo rebuild its core, focus from here on out, and build up a new "rep" with gamers. Certainly anyone who thinks its going to end up with some crazy sales figures is... more than a little off.



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This is what I meant by late bloomer. If you pay close attention, the ps3 started really selling strongly at the end of summer 2009.

Sure the U sales are low compared to this, but that's why I think it has that much more potential to be even more of a late bloomer than the PS3 was.

The U has just doubled its baseline, I think we can already call it a late bloomer in a sense. And the jury is still out on the matter as for whether it will or will not be a late bloomer in the end.

Price cuts

No two price cuts are equal. The 3DS' pricecut saw the 3DS' sales trajectory go from a sinking ship to a proper market leader. The cube also got a few major pricecuts but look at how that turned out. What I'm trying to say is that one price cut may not have the same effect as another. In the case of the U though, what seems clear is that the entry point is hindering the adoption rates of the console. It is my opinion that the price cut for the U, if it is similar to the 3DS' price cut, will severely impact the console's sales trajectory, much more than a price cut would help the PS4 for example.

SSB the last ace

First off, I'd like to mention that Nintendo still has many aces up its sleeve. After smash is the heavily awaited Zelda. There is also a number of big franchises Nintendo could leverage such as Animal Crossing and Pokemon.

Next, I'd like to say that SSB isn't just another ace. If MK8 was able to double the U's baseline single-handedly, we can't consider a new game as "just a new game", for Nintendo it just doesn't work that way. It might for Sony and MS, but it doesn't for Nintendo.

Xbox second wind

I agree that the xbox got a second wind, but its early sales were low in comparison to the Wii's, which was the generation leader. It's one thing to compare consoles within a generation, it's not as simple to compare consoles between generations. Many are predicting that this gen's total sales will be lower than last gens, and that much should be obvious given the predictions of the overall sales of most people on this site. Moreover, the second wind Xbox got was higher than its original trends and disturbed the ordinary bell curves. That also lead to an explosion of sales and visibility which we can see in the graphs as well as in the media coverage we got of Kinect at the time, and its entry into a new market. It is  a form of late blooming, since again the early xbox sales were eclipsed by the Wii, yet later in the xbox's lifespan it was able to shine. That's late blooming.



WiiU is a system that is going to sell 15-17m units lifetime. Why compare it to systems that both sold over 80m+ units?



Predictions for LT console sales:

PS4: 120M

XB1: 70M

WiiU: 14M

3DS: 60M

Vita: 13M

benji232 said:
WiiU is a system that is going to sell 15-17m units lifetime. Why compare it to systems that both sold over 80m+ units?


Look above you.



cheshirescat said:
benji232 said:
WiiU is a system that is going to sell 15-17m units lifetime. Why compare it to systems that both sold over 80m+ units?

Look above you.

I'd like to see the crystal ball you and benji carry.



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padib said:
cheshirescat said:
benji232 said:
WiiU is a system that is going to sell 15-17m units lifetime. Why compare it to systems that both sold over 80m+ units?

Look above you.

I'd like to see the crystal ball you and benji carry.

He asked why compare wii u to the ps3 or 360, you are the one who has posited that the wii u will be a late bloomer like the ps3.  I merely answered his question.

 

As far as your theory is concerned I doubt it will come to pass, trends and history are against it, but I acknowledge the slim chance.



cheshirescat said:

He asked why compare wii u to the ps3 or 360, you are the one who has posited that the wii u will be a late bloomer like the ps3.  I merely answered his question.

 

As far as your theory is concerned I doubt it will come to pass, trends and history are against it, but I acknowledge the slim chance.

A worthy 777th post. My only gripe was that benji mentions that the U is going to sell 15-17m units lifetime. The question of late blooming for the U is a possibility, so I think that his question answers itself in a way, because we actually don't know how much the U will sell lifetime, and it is a possibility that the U blooms late. I really hope it does anyway.



daredevil.shark said:
Wii U wont cross 18+ million mark in lifetime.


I'd be willing to bet on that.



I bet the Wii U would sell more than 15M LTD by the end of 2015. He bet it would sell less. I lost.

ohmylanta1003 said:
daredevil.shark said:
Wii U wont cross 18+ million mark in lifetime.


I'd be willing to bet on that.

I'd be willing to take you on that bet



What's with those threads lately? What does people need to prove so badly?