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KLXVER said:
DerNebel said:

And the fact that Nintendo has rejected the idea makes it a bad one? I mean, lets be honest here, not every decision a company makes is necessarily a good one. Like I said above, I'm not really waiting for it, but could you give me one reason for why a Zelda release on for example the PS4,X1 and PC would be worse than an exclusive release on the Wii U, from a financial as well as a quality perspective?


It would be more expensive to make the game and port it to different systems and Nintendo would not make as much money per game sold.

Those things could be compensated through the bigger potential base of people to sell the game to and the general non existence of money sinking consoles, also as far as I heard it's pretty easy and cheap to port between the X1, PS4 and PC.



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DerNebel said:
KLXVER said:
DerNebel said:

And the fact that Nintendo has rejected the idea makes it a bad one? I mean, lets be honest here, not every decision a company makes is necessarily a good one. Like I said above, I'm not really waiting for it, but could you give me one reason for why a Zelda release on for example the PS4,X1 and PC would be worse than an exclusive release on the Wii U, from a financial as well as a quality perspective?


It would be more expensive to make the game and port it to different systems and Nintendo would not make as much money per game sold.

Those things could be compensated through the bigger potential base of people to sell the game to and the general non existence of money sinking consoles, also as far as I heard it's pretty easy and cheap to port between the X1, PS4 and PC.


People can still buy the games now. Maybe theres not that much interest in Nintendo games anymore...?



Anfebious said:
DerNebel said:

I don't even have the cash to buy a PS4 right now and that has a way higher priority for me personally, I might get a used Wii U for Zelda at one point, if I can get one for 150€ or something.

Also I do emulate some of their old games from time to time.

And finally, I'm not really waiting for them to go third party, I'm saying that I see it as a viable possibility that the company shouldn't ignore, it's not like I think it'll happen in the next couple years or something.

I understand the first two points of course but the last one.. even if it was the only option, going third party is a very bad idea. We already have a good example of a company that became third party and... it isn't a pretty example. (Sega) It might happen in the future but... it isn't a good option for Nintendo.

Eeeeh, Segas problem is that they just don't make good games, imo. As long as Nintendos game quality doesn't suffer from it, I'd say that Nintendo can live very well as a third party. I mean lets be honest here, what other really known IPs aside from Sonic does Sega even have? Nintendo has a very good amount of IPs that would do extremely well on any system as long as the games don't get worse.



KLXVER said:
DerNebel said:

Those things could be compensated through the bigger potential base of people to sell the game to and the general non existence of money sinking consoles, also as far as I heard it's pretty easy and cheap to port between the X1, PS4 and PC.


People can still buy the games now. Maybe theres not that much interest in Nintendo games anymore...?

I think the interest is very much still there, I think the interest in buying a system for them and more or less only for them, since third parties are a rarity on Nintendo consoles, is just not that big anymore.



DerNebel said:
amak11 said:
DerNebel said:

I challenge you to find another thread where I suggested that Nintendo should go third party (or to be actually accurate: suggest that Nintendo shouldn't ignore the idea of going third party)

Passing someone off as biased is the easy way to go about those things, why don't you try the other route of explaining to me why what I said is wrong?

Challenge not accepted. I'm not going through 3522 post to find that ( I don't have the 2 hours to do that either). Might have been someone else to be honest. Someone on here keeps suggesting it and your name was pretty close to it.  

To tell the facts though, Nintendo hasn't ignored that idea. They have flat out rejected it and said if Nintendo would, Metroid, Zelda, Mario etc would all be retired and new franchises would be made for those consoles. The idea of having Zelda on a platform other than Nintendo is pretty laughable. 

And the fact that Nintendo has rejected the idea makes it a bad one? I mean, lets be honest here, not every decision a company makes is necessarily a good one. Like I said above, I'm not really waiting for it, but could you give me one reason for why a Zelda release on for example the PS4,X1 and PC would be worse than an exclusive release on the Wii U, from a financial as well as a quality perspective?

It would lose it's Nintendo quality. This is what Nintendo provides. There is good, bad, great, and Nintnedo in regards to quality. There is no way that any developer can make a game multiplatform and near perfect Nintendo quality. This is how Nintendo keeps it's standards high, by releasing it on their own hardware that they designed. 



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DerNebel said:

I think the interest is very much still there, I think the interest in buying a system for them and more or less only for them, since third parties are a rarity on Nintendo consoles, is just not that big anymore.


I dont know. Just dont think the games would be anymore popular on more systems.



These are dark days for Nintendo, I think they just don't have an answer for how smartphone/tablet gaming has devalued gaming.

Even Miyamoto admits he is afraid that hand-me-down tablets are taking away the kids market from them. Casual market is pretty much gone from them.

And Sony/MS pretty much have an iron lock on the male 12-35 market.

That said I'd be in favour of Nintendo seeking a partnership with one of Sony or MS exclusively (for example Nintendo perhaps agrees to support one of their consoles with games if they agree to support their handheld with games and provide some monetary kickbacks) rather than ever going to smartphone route.

I think they will try and see how Quality of Life, amiibo, and the next handheld (fusion?) does before making a rash decision though.



Tlozjb said:
I wonder if it is because he is easily manipulated, so they can use him as their puppet, but either way, Katsuhito should stay away from Nintendo, since if he was the project/planning director for Mario Party 9 and Island Tour, he better stay away from Nintendo and their main software teams.

This is *exactly* what I was thinking, re: easy to manipulate.

(And I should very fiercely stress If any of this is true.)



KLXVER said:
oniyide said:

I seriously doubt it. The systems would be doing just about the same if they didnt exist. Hell WIi straight up stop getting VC support about halfway through and it didnt really change anything.


What? The Wii didnt stop getting VC support...

Features of a console can be a selling point.

yeah it did. when was the last time they put a game on VC for that system? 2012 20111?

yes it can be a selling point, but lets be honest. VC is so low on that list its really not going to have much effect either way.



oniyide said:
KLXVER said:
oniyide said:

I seriously doubt it. The systems would be doing just about the same if they didnt exist. Hell WIi straight up stop getting VC support about halfway through and it didnt really change anything.


What? The Wii didnt stop getting VC support...

Features of a console can be a selling point.

yeah it did. when was the last time they put a game on VC for that system? 2012 20111?

yes it can be a selling point, but lets be honest. VC is so low on that list its really not going to have much effect either way.

Around 2012. A few ones in 2013.