Um does anybody remember how Mario Kart DD boosted GC?

You missed the point where I said once it becomes affordable enough to be a 2nd system to go back and play those 1st party games. Face it, the Wii U is overpriced, was since launch. They had crappy titles until 2014. Don't count on Just Dance etc, this is not a casual gamers system. It's going to take well done, "core gamer" games to spark interest. THey went from blue ocean to red ocean strategy for unknown reasons.

Does this mean the games they make will be bad? Hardly, going by Mario Kart 8. XB/PS fans are looking over at what Nintendo's doing, but won't drop the cash at this stage. It won't be until another 2-3 years down the road before it picks up the slack, when the price drops down significantly. Add on games like Fatal Frame, Bayonetta 1&2, and other pots Nintendo has it's hands in right now, there will be enough reason for gamers to want to play WIi U games down the road. Again, this won't happen without a significant price drop, which won't happen for a bit yet.

I know it goes against sales logic, trust me, I get it. But there's something that leads me to think it'll have decent numbers in the end, and with that, all we can do is wait and see.

I think the Wii U can outsell the GC if they stay on the path of post E3 2014, they announced a Sh** ton at E3 for 2015, and if they can keep quality games coming, sales will follow. The Mario Party 10 trailer has over 1 mil views on you tube. People are interested, now they gotta go full gear. Mk8 boosted sales, now we know that what Nintendo said is always true, software moves hardware.

Ludicrous eh? It's selling what maybe 1-2 million a year at this rate? Let's assume 2 million, hell even 3 million. It has 3 more years on the market or so, so yea 15-16 million maybe.

Just how long do you think the Wii U lifespan will be?  If it won't be "until another 2-3 years" that it picks up the slack, and a price drop "won't happen for a bit yet", when is it going to sell the rest of its 75m?  Why will dropping the price carry the Wii U to 75m when it couldn't do it for the NES/SNES/N64/GC?  The Wii also probably wouldn't have made it to 75m if its casual games had performed like they have on the Wii U.  It isn't only system price either, casual games have done much worse compared to last generation on the 3DS as well.  Plus, adjusted for inflation a $250 Wii in 2006 is nearly the same price as a $300 WIi U today.  Then of course there is the fact that there have been numerous clearance deals for even cheaper than the Wii and they haven't moved the needle.

There just isn't any evidence that the market that wants a second system to play Nintendo games is large enough to carry the Wii U to 75m.  Even the 3DS is looking like it might only limp across 75m, and that did substantially better than the Wii U in its early years.

What brings about this change of heart and/or change of thinking? Personally I agree w you -  I only have a Wii u home console so I want them to do well but I think it is better for console owners and fans to keep Nintendo accountable. 

Well for one thing, it will certainly be on the market for more than 3 more years. That's a guarentee. And sales are on the up and up and will continue to be with big new releases coming late 2014 and 2015.

I sold my Wii U with the intent to buy a PS4. I didn't like where Nintendo seemed to be going. I just think the Wii U isn't all that great. With this, I realized I didn't have to always defend Nintendo. So now, I'm calling it how I see it.

You did read what I wrote yes? Where did I say software does not move hardware? I said exactly the opposite. However I did say that the size of the audience for Nintendo's long-standing franchises is not very big. Yes, MK8 sold 2 million in a month, and yes it moved hardware, but Gamecube also experienced fast selling games and hardware spikes. These things are not evidence that a console will sell at a substantially higher baseline. What truly sells consoles is the total library of games and the anticipation and expecation of more great games down the line. There are far more weeks in a console's lifecycle where no big selling franchise launches, which means for a console to sell well the library of games and the promise of future games must appeal to the market. Every mutli-generation console owner, even including people like me who has never owned Nintendo home consoles, knows about the great and venerable Nintendo franchises. The promise and expectation, and in a number of cases the result, of these franchises is the LTD for Wii U to date. The promise and expectation of games on PS4 has given PS4 an install base almost 2 million larger than Wii U in less than half the time on the market, with quite literally no big franchises yet launched. 

I don't know where you get the notion that Wii U had not much software in the first 18 months. Perhaps not much really apealing 3rd party software, but the 1st party library has been very impressive, as shown in the list of games in my previous post, which is not exhaustive. Nintendo has pumped out several of its top franchises in the first 18 months, first year in fact, and to little effect. The Wii U library is quite impressive for an 18 month old console. I simply disagree that lack of games has held Wii U back. Lack of games certainly hasn't held back PS4. I would say Wii U's game library in the first 18 months has been fairly normal.

@ bold. Not according to VG Chartz. According to VG Chartz numbers MK Wii was at 2 million in 3 weeks. As impressive as MK8 is, especially on that much smaller install base, it is not quite the fastest selling MK of all time. Even if VGC adjusts MK8 up (which it should given the announcement) MK Wii will still be the fastest selling. It is of course very telling that MK8 sold almost as fast as MK Wii, from a console sales perspective being the 2nd fastest selling MK title of all time on possibly the lowest install base of all time is not necessrily the good news you think it is. 

Once you have had a PS4 for a while, come back and let us know your view on the pro s and com s of each -   If the Wii u does not get Minecradt by Christmas ( or announced a release date for it by then), I'll prob be looking at one of the new consoles or the PS3/XB so my Son can play it