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sethnintendo said:
Mr Khan said:

The second point is of prominent importance. All this hammers home is the continuing need for better mental health support in this country, both in the form of a better-staffed, publically-funded infrastructure, and a culture which encourages family members to know the signs of mental illness, and to de-stigmatize the treatment of mental illness so that family members or individuals who are mentally ill aren't passively encouraged to bury their problems for the sake of propriety.

Way we deal with mental health in USA?  Give them drugs that will probably give them worse side effects than their condition.

As a nurse who has spent 3 years working in mental health after I got out of the military I can tell you that drugs are about the best thing we have in dealing with the mentally ill. Adjusting brain chemistry is often necessary to allow those suffering from mental illness to engage in therapies like counseling etc. Of all the things we give people medications for, mental illness is probably the area where it is most effective. Medications aren't with out their drawbacks but I have personally witnessed first hand how much the right medications can have a positive impact in the lives of those who are mentally ill.

What is lacking in mental health is enough willing people to offer personal engagement on top of the drug therapies. Mental health costs a lot of money to implement and when you have what little resources there are overwhelmed with mentally ill people you will have those that slip through the cracks. Then there are those who simply cannot be helped. Not to mention there is still very much we don't know about how the brain works.



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Why call yourself "SocialistSlayer"? Are you a fan of Anders Behring Breivik? Do you know what a socialist is? Please consider changing your name to something less hateful.



chapset said:
Fucking Obama


Obama? He is a mere puppet in the plans. Blame the Illuminati!



enrageorange said:

Let me start by saying I am more or less on your side of the issue. I don't own the gun. But I don't care if my neighbor owns one for hunting, or as a hobby, or to feel safer. With that said let me give you some advice.

There is way too much passion. It is clear you are very anti gun control. That means you have a very obvious agenda, and I should be very cautious when reading your post.

Now honestly most of what you are saying might be completely true. But the way you are talking won't convince anyone on the opposite side or in the middle of the issue. You are just pandering to your side and politicizing the issue yourself.

Let me give you an example on how to improve.

On the off chance that you need a reminder that money cannot buy you brains, I give you the ultra-rich, ultra-liberal, ultra-anti-gun, ultra-moron, Michael Moore who, in a statement he posted on Facebook, blames, among other things, congress for not passing stricter gun laws that “90% of Americans want”.  Hey genius, this incident happened in CA, where all of those stricter gun laws you claim that 90% of us want already exist.  This once again proves what we (those of us who can actually use our brains) have been saying for decades:  More gun laws cannot possibly prevent crimes like this.

Note the things I highlighted. Avoid statements like those. They are exactly the type of venom that for some reason both sides use, even though they just make the other side look at you with animosity, and make people who haven't formed opinions tend the ignore you.

Had you written something like this, it would have been far more effective at convincing people who don't share your opinion.

Michael Moore who, in a statement he posted on Facebook, blames, among other things, congress for not passing stricter gun laws that “90% of Americans want”.  But the sad truth is that this incidident is an example of even strict gun control laws not working. Despite all the precautions that the state of California takes towards gun ownership. This man still managed to get a gun. Where there is a will, there is a way. If someone wants to get a gun, he will find a way to get one. More gun laws cannot possibly prevent crimes like this.



These aren't my words.  This is an article from a gun and accessory review blog that I frequent. 



 

projectile based weapons should be banned altogether. the serve no purpose but to kill. and fast.
i do not despise violence as it is part of our nature. but giving anyone the power of killing within a click is just insane.
real men use fists and body. imo gun owners feel weak and frightened by their own weakness and need something to compensate such.



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If there were more people with guns on that campus there would have been a sweet shootout and no one but the bad gunman would be hurt.



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supernihilist said:
projectile based weapons should be banned altogether. the serve no purpose but to kill. and fast.
i do not despise violence as it is part of our nature. but giving anyone the power of killing within a click is just insane.
real men use fists and body. imo gun owners feel weak and frightened by their own weakness and need something to compensate such.


sorry but criminals arent real men, they dont care for a noble gentlemens duel like you seem to be infering.

And if im under attack, i dont want a fair fight, I want to be at the advantage. And I dont want to be put at a disadvantage, because people like you thinking we should all be ninja warriors like in the movies and be able to fend off our attackers with our honed skills.



 

SocialistSlayer said:
supernihilist said:
projectile based weapons should be banned altogether. the serve no purpose but to kill. and fast.
i do not despise violence as it is part of our nature. but giving anyone the power of killing within a click is just insane.
real men use fists and body. imo gun owners feel weak and frightened by their own weakness and need something to compensate such.


sorry but criminals arent real men, they dont care for a noble gentlemens duel like you seem to be infering.

And if im under attack, i dont want a fair fight, I want to be at the advantage. And I dont want to be put at a disadvantage, because people like you thinking we should all be ninja warriors like in the movies and be able to fend off our attackers with our ho

if weapons were banned criminals wouldnt have easy access to weapons. i know that first hand cause ive been involved in mid lvl drug dealing for a long time. in my country geting a hunting license and a rifle can cost you no less than 6000$ without ammo, which is severely limited and controlled. illegally you can get a small caliber revolver for a couple of thousand or a 9mm for even more, but again ammo is severely limited and is very expensive even in the black market. do you know the basics ofoffer and demand? lol. when things are escarce prices go up exponentially thus limiting most people access to such. 

thing is gun ban factually reduces the chances of acess to them for most people due to economics only. thats without counting on other factors.such as the fact that criminals, serious ones only kill other crims for economics also. low level crims dont have access to guns cause they dont have the purchasing power.

seriously.stop watching NRA sponsored "documentaries" they make you look like a fool.



socialist slayer.lol. what a joke. get some education kid.
i would never trust a inmature fool like you with a gun in your hands. you would most probably screw it up bad.
if theres many people like you USA is really fucked up.

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-Smeags



and thank you for proving my point. you are so afraid of a imaginary enemy that you dont know shit about, that you sponsor gun laws to arm that same enemy you are afraid of...
in conclusion, that mindset of yours and your fellas are indirectly responsible for hundreds of innocent deaths in the last decades.
WELL DONE EVERYBODY