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StarOcean said:
If you put it that way, basically.
However, like you said, there are exceptions in which Sony doesnt win. In fact the argument could be made that Sony was the biggest loser last Gen, losing a large chunk of its PS2 audience to both Nintendo and MS. So not always, but 3/4 wins are pretty good for a console maker.

Actually only to MS. Nintendo grabbed a whole lot of one console wonder buyers. PS3+360 is pretty close to PS2+Xb. No doubt Nintendo picked up some PS2 owners, but probably not so much as to make up a significant % of Wii owners.



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Mr Khan said:
Only in the sense that their competitors are fairly incompetent in how they conduct themselves. PS1 wouldn't have gotten off the ground if Sega hadn't flopped into the 5th generation with the grace of a dying fish and/or Nintendo had embraced CDs. If one or both of Sega or Nintendo had run themselves properly, Sony would have been a big also-ran.

This serendipity continued into the PS2 generation, where Sony's only real threat was the Dreamcast due to production delays in the GameCube and the Xbox's general late arrival. Microsoft can be excused to an extent because of their first round entry, but Nintendo really dropped the ball on getting the GameCube out on time and with proper support (stories from the era reveal that they were very slow and uncaring about getting dev kits out to third parties, for instance). Plus there's the whole "purple lunchbox" thing (though at least Nintendo of America got us out of the "StarCube.")

If Sega had been in the position to fight back against the PS2 more aggressively, if Nintendo had been more aggressive about fixing the mistakes of the N64 era (or had just jumped ahead to make the Wii early somehow), or if Microsoft had been smoother about entering the arena, there you go.

The 7th gen demonstrates what happens when Sony's competitors take things seriously: the 360 was much like the PS2 and the PS4 in spirit: meant to be the gamers' console, to give "us" what we want. Microsoft out-Playstation'd the Playstation, and so held second place for as long as second place matters (it really doesn't matter where the PS3 ends up now, folks. The end of 2012 was basically the end, after the Wii U launched and when Sony and Microsoft were both moving focus to the new consoles). Nintendo, meanwhile, got back in touch with their roots in terms of understanding that their job is to sell games that sell consoles, and create games that do things nobody else even thinks of.

Of course Sony took stupid pills in 2005 and 2006, and to a lesser extent 2007, to give Nintendo and Microsoft (more Microsoft for the direct market competition) a leg up, but even later in the gen as Sony righted the ship, the contest remained competitive.

Now we're back to seeing Sony's competitors do dumb things and Sony... not do dumb things. There's no magic there. What if Microsoft had made priority one for the Xbox One to be as developer-friendly as possible, reconfiguring the design phase? What if Nintendo had launched a true Wii successor that built on the promises of the Wii, instead of a half-assed retreat into the core market that we got?


WOW, just wow, a mod saying the only reason sony became the dominate player in the console market was competition being dumb.....Ridiculously short sighted and wrong. Yes they did nothing right, never got dev support, made good systems with features people wanted, made good games , saw market trends.

 

If the mods on this site have this view it is obvious there is massive bias... You make like it is a simple task to make a game console, make your own studios, invest in it, market it, see what the market wants and deliver...If t was that easy why did no one else do it?  Absolutely ridiculous post.

 

If MS made a priority to X1 (Newsflash they did), Sonywould still win because of a superio WORLDWIDE product with a WORLDWID focus, but god forbid we give sony any credit for their WW approach and stiudios.



think-man said:
Anfebious said:

So... Sony lost the generation through bad choices that's okay. But Nintendo didn't win it through good ones? How exactly? Are you implying that Sony's fuck up was the whole reason of the Wii success? I certainly don't agree with that.

No It's more to do with Xbox, the Wii would have sold the same amount but The PS3 would have been more successful against the xbox and maybe put another 30-40 million if it didn't let xbox get ahead. Contrary to what alot of people believe I don't really consider Sony and Nintendo home consoles to really be in battle with one another, they seem to want different markets. Sony and MS though and trying to get the same gamer.

I am pretty sure that if the 360 wouldn't have been created then the PS3 would have done even worse. Imagine the scenario... a $250 console with a new way to play... or a $600 machine that can play "pretty games". I think it was thanks to the 360 that the PS3 didn't sink like the Titanic.



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think-man said:
Play4Fun said:

Each to their own.


Each their own what? That was fact, not opinion.



think-man said:
Anfebious said:
think-man said:
I always thought that Sony lost last gen not that Nintendo won it, Sony doesn't have to do jack except last gen when we saw them panic because they made so many mistakes.


So who won last gen? Microsoft?

I mean that Sony lost the gen through bad choices not that Nintendo won it through good ones. I think Sony would have had it in bag if they didn't F it up.


Do you really believe people around the world would have passed from the Wii to buy a PS3? Do they have a reason to pass from the cool console to buy another PS console?

And to answer the OP, yes Sony wins by default because the other two are incompetent, not because Sony did something noteworthy.



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binary solo said:
StarOcean said:
If you put it that way, basically.
However, like you said, there are exceptions in which Sony doesnt win. In fact the argument could be made that Sony was the biggest loser last Gen, losing a large chunk of its PS2 audience to both Nintendo and MS. So not always, but 3/4 wins are pretty good for a console maker.

Actually only to MS. Nintendo grabbed a whole lot of one console wonder buyers. PS3+360 is pretty close to PS2+Xb. No doubt Nintendo picked up some PS2 owners, but probably not so much as to make up a significant % of Wii owners.

I suppose you're right about that. 



padib said:
Sony always wins by default, because that is the popular opinion.

However, as Nintendo has often shown, unless they make big mistakes like overpricing their console (WiiU), they always are the greatest seller of video games. This is especially evident in their portable line, where the price of the console was almost never an obstacle to the enjoyment of their games.

Nintendo is still, by far, the greatest publisher of dedicated console gaming. Take a look at the overall game sales charts, and there you will find your answer.


No, Since sony game along no one has touched them in software and hardware sales....look it up.



Play4Fun said:
think-man said:
Anfebious said:
think-man said:
I always thought that Sony lost last gen not that Nintendo won it, Sony doesn't have to do jack except last gen when we saw them panic because they made so many mistakes.


So who won last gen? Microsoft?

I mean that Sony lost the gen through bad choices not that Nintendo won it through good ones. I think Sony would have had it in bag if they didn't F it up.


Nintendo won last gen because they made good decsions with the Wii, not because Sony fucked up PS3. What total nonsense.


Launching a technically inferior system after all the other system incappable of 3rd party multipalts great decsions. great they sold some systems but fucker the gamers



Anfebious said:
think-man said:
Anfebious said:
 

So... Sony lost the generation through bad choices that's okay. But Nintendo didn't win it through good ones? How exactly? Are you implying that Sony's fuck up was the whole reason of the Wii success? I certainly don't agree with that.

No It's more to do with Xbox, the Wii would have sold the same amount but The PS3 would have been more successful against the xbox and maybe put another 30-40 million if it didn't let xbox get ahead. Contrary to what alot of people believe I don't really consider Sony and Nintendo home consoles to really be in battle with one another, they seem to want different markets. Sony and MS though and trying to get the same gamer.

I am pretty sure that if the 360 wouldn't have been created then the PS3 would have done even worse. Imagine the scenario... a $250 console with a new way to play... or a $600 machine that can play "pretty games". I think it was thanks to the 360 that the PS3 didn't sink like the Titanic.

But PS3 and 360 catered to the "hardcore gamer" unless all third party moved to the Wii aswell once they saw the PS3 fail then I couldn't see it doing worse. 360 helped alot with online multiplayer procession, I think if it wasn't for the 360 we wouldn't be so exposed to online multiplayer for consoles as we are now.



Play4Fun said:
think-man said:
Play4Fun said:
think-man said:
Anfebious said:
think-man said:

Each to their own.


Each their own what? That was fact, not opinion.

No it can't be proven, thus it's an opinion :)

 

Good day sir.