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What is his end state

Annex Ukraine As a whole 337 40.60%
 
Annex Crimea 286 34.46%
 
Defend Russian People Fro... 184 22.17%
 
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allblue said:


Although, I'm pretty damn close to understanding your character, I'm still interested hearing an answer straight from you, so I'll ask. What makes it ok for the US to go around intervening, taking down and installing puppet governments, invade a whole country on a false premise of nuclear weapons but not when another country does it in the interest of protecting their own backyard and millions of ethnic people in that country?

Do you think imperialism is justified?

If there's no reply I'll just assume that there's no convenient answer.

I'd like to answer your question.

It's not justified, but we don't live in a just world.  We live in a world where nations will act in self-interest and will ignore moral arguments.  We shouldn't be so surprised at states being hypocritical.

The international laws are only as strong as the international community makes them.  It is wrong for Putin to violate Ukraine Sovereignty.  It was wrong for the US to violate Iraq Sovreignty.  However none of this matters if the international community does not stand up against it.  I do not blame Russia for thier actions, I would blame the international community if they did nothing to prevent Russia actions.  One of the real crimes of the Iraq War was that there wasn't more international pressure on the US to not enter the war.  Instead we got a coalition to help us, with most assistance from the UK.

Just because the US got away with something does not give Russia the right to do the same.  That opens a very scary door where the great powers do not hold eachother accountable.  I could easily point out all the things Britain has gotten away with but that does not mean, every state should get to do the same.  It simply just isnt a fair world.



 

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Sharu said:
We have some news that this night the golden fund of Ukraine was put into a plane in Borispol Airport and that plane flew to USA. If that news are true - all this 'revolution' thing just becomes simple robbery in the end. ((( Sad.


Propaganda, so Putin has an excuse to invade the whole of Ukraine? How would anyone know that, and  how would that make any sense?



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kowenicki said:

Sorry, whats your problem?  I was asking him if he was born in the UK, since his stance was odd for someone that was.  If you agree with him them I'd suggest your stance is also odd if you are English.  Before you get on your high horse... odd doesnt mean wrong, it means odd, out of the ordinary.  The majority of English residents would prefer to allign themselves with Nato over Putin.

Unfortunately HE was banned for his abusive and mindless post, so he couldnt respond.


Although, I'm pretty damn close to understanding your character, I'm still interested hearing an answer straight from you, so I'll ask. What makes it ok for the US to go around intervening, taking down and installing puppet governments, invade a whole country on a false premise of nuclear weapons but not when another country does it in the interest of protecting their own backyard and millions of ethnic people in that country?

Do you think imperialism is justified?

If there's no reply I'll just assume that there's no convenient answer.


You arent remotely close to knowing anythign about me.  Your posts are arrogant, divisive and motivated by an all too apparent agenda. I know what i am, what i beleve in and what i hold true...

I have no political motivation these days, I dont rate a single politician alive today.  I despise the big politics "we know best" of current times, the EU being the best example of all that is bad.  And I certainly have no religious motivation... 

How about you?

 

 



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;_; I just want the U.S. military budget to decrease. And then this nonsense happens.



kowenicki said:
allblue said:
kowenicki said:

Sorry, whats your problem?  I was asking him if he was born in the UK, since his stance was odd for someone that was.  If you agree with him them I'd suggest your stance is also odd if you are English.  Before you get on your high horse... odd doesnt mean wrong, it means odd, out of the ordinary.  The majority of English residents would prefer to allign themselves with Nato over Putin.

Unfortunately HE was banned for his abusive and mindless post, so he couldnt respond.


Although, I'm pretty damn close to understanding your character, I'm still interested hearing an answer straight from you, so I'll ask. What makes it ok for the US to go around intervening, taking down and installing puppet governments, invade a whole country on a false premise of nuclear weapons but not when another country does it in the interest of protecting their own backyard and millions of ethnic people in that country?

Do you think imperialism is justified?

If there's no reply I'll just assume that there's no convenient answer.


You arent remotely close to knowing anythign about me.  Your posts are arrogant, divisive and motivated by an all too apparent agenda. I know what i am, what i beleve in and what i hold true...

I have no political motivation these days, I dont rate a single politician alive today.  I despise the big politics "we know best" of current times, the EU being the best example of all that is bad.  And I certainly have no religious motivation... 

How about you?

 

 

How about me? I despise those who are blindly hypocritical and at times dodges questions when they are being confronted. I'm confronting you because you are a big supporter of washington and their foreign policies (even domestic at times like the snowden case).

I'm asking again, I hope you don't keep dodging my question, why is it ok for the US government to police the world in their interest but not some other countries? 



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allblue said:
kowenicki said:
allblue said:
kowenicki said:

Sorry, whats your problem?  I was asking him if he was born in the UK, since his stance was odd for someone that was.  If you agree with him them I'd suggest your stance is also odd if you are English.  Before you get on your high horse... odd doesnt mean wrong, it means odd, out of the ordinary.  The majority of English residents would prefer to allign themselves with Nato over Putin.

Unfortunately HE was banned for his abusive and mindless post, so he couldnt respond.


Although, I'm pretty damn close to understanding your character, I'm still interested hearing an answer straight from you, so I'll ask. What makes it ok for the US to go around intervening, taking down and installing puppet governments, invade a whole country on a false premise of nuclear weapons but not when another country does it in the interest of protecting their own backyard and millions of ethnic people in that country?

Do you think imperialism is justified?

If there's no reply I'll just assume that there's no convenient answer.


You arent remotely close to knowing anythign about me.  Your posts are arrogant, divisive and motivated by an all too apparent agenda. I know what i am, what i beleve in and what i hold true...

I have no political motivation these days, I dont rate a single politician alive today.  I despise the big politics "we know best" of current times, the EU being the best example of all that is bad.  And I certainly have no religious motivation... 

How about you?

 

 

How about me? I despise those who are blindly hypocritical and at times dodges questions when they are being confronted. I'm confronting you because you are a big supporter of washington and their foreign policies (even domestic at times like the snowden case).

I'm asking again, I hope you don't keep dodging my question, why is it ok for the US government to police the world in their interest but not some other countries? 

Now who is dodgning questions?

Why would I converse with someone that despises me?  You can confront me all you want pal, doesnt mean I need to answer you or care what you think. Who the hell do you think you are? lol.

 

 

 



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kowenicki said:

Now who is dodgning questions?

Why would I converse with someone that despises me?  You can confront me all you want pal, doesnt mean I need to answer you or care what you think. Who the hell do you think you are? lol.

 

 

 


Exactly, no convenient answer when someone presents you with a legitimate question. 

Or rather impossible to give an honset answer without exposing your own hypocrisy. Such. Hypocrisy.



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allblue said:


Exactly, no convenient answer when someone presents you with a legitimate question. 

Or rather impossible to give an honset answer without exposing your own hypocrisy. Such. Hypocrisy.

I answered your question.  While it may be legitimate its not a very good question and easily answered.

It is no better than a child asking his parents why they get to stay up later than him.  The parent my by a hypocrit but we all know the answer why, because the parent is in charge.  The child has no power over the parent, they do not have the ability to force equality. The parent does what it believes is best, even if its wrong.

"Why does the US get to police the world when other states cannot"  - Because it can. 

I deal with this worldist point of view all the time in College.  Where people will try to argue things based on "fairness" its idealistic an stupid.  The world simply doesn't work that way.  I wish it did.

Dont get me confused for someone who is defending my countries policies and choices.  I am simply explaining why it is the way it is.



 

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PDF said:
allblue said:


Exactly, no convenient answer when someone presents you with a legitimate question. 

Or rather impossible to give an honset answer without exposing your own hypocrisy. Such. Hypocrisy.

I answered your question.  While it may be legitimate its not a very good question and easily answered.

It is no better than a child asking his parents why they get to stay up later than him.  The parent my by a hypocrit but we all know the answer why, because the parent is in charge.  The child has no power over the parent, they to not have the ability to force equality. The parent does what it believes is best, even if its wrong.

"Why does the US get to police the world when other states cannot"  - Because it can. 

I deal with this worldist point of view all the time in College.  Where people will try to argue things based on "fairness" its idealistic an stupid.  The world simply doesn't work that way.  I wish it did.

Dont get me confused for someone who is defending my countries policies and choices.  I am simply explaining why it is the way it is.

You missed the point of my posts entirely, I wasn't really asking for an answer, it was rather rhetorical and intended to prove that all sides in this conflicts are being hypocritical. I don't support russia nor USA. I don't dislike america either, although I certainly disagree with their government's policies. 

Oh and don't get me started on my own government. 



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allblue said:

You missed the point of my posts entirely, I wasn't really asking for an answer, it was rather rhetorical and intended to prove that all sides in this conflicts are being hypocritical. I don't support russia nor USA. I don't dislike america either, although I certainly disagree with their government's policies. 

Well thats wierd then.  You critisized kowenicki for not answering a rhetorical question?



 

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