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GribbleGrunger on 01 March 2014
Justagamer said:
Bottom line: if digital foundry said ps4 version was superior, Sony fans would add another notch to their bragging belts. Since they didn't, those same Sony fans are crying foul. It's funny as hell!
I have a ps4, do not have an x1, and yet I don't care if DF said an x1version is the better. Ps4 is a superior hardware, so, my point is: get the hell over it!
Anytime anyone says anything positive of the x1, you guys come crying foul! Some think ryse has the best graphics: Sony fans cry foul and bring up their OPINION as to why it's a fact that it's not! Lol. Let it be.
You win some, you lose some. I, for one, will still enjoy my machine, regardless of DF analisys, regardless if the ps4 is outselling the x1, I just play games, and all this .... Whatever the hell it is, is rediculous.

Bottom line: If Digital foundry said the PS4 version was superior, they'd be telling the truth based on their OWN data and their OWN footage. You seem to be missing why people are compaining.

We know the PS4 has better framerates and resolution but:

More pop in? Really?

The X1 has POM too? Really?

 



 

The PS5 Exists. 


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Scoobes on 01 March 2014
Dark_Feanor said:
Aerys said:
Justagamer said:
Aerys said:
Justagamer said:
Too_Talls said:

DF gave the nod to the bone? noo00 they are fanboys, throw out everything they ever said including all the favorable ps4 comparisons.

Some are sure picky with what they choose to support.


Exactly. If they can't be trusted here, then don't use their word for anything. Well said too talls.

Or both of you could see that from a less childish way, they just made a mistake ( not like if it was their first), because of rushed  comparison about a game nobody care.

Point is, Sony fans would have used this as a point of gloating. What's more childish? Gloating when it suits your needs, or crying foul when it does not? You can't have both! If they're trustworthy one way, then don't claim them to be untrustworthy the other. Simple, not childish. 

Not every situation is the same,you're too manichean and childish in your logic, instead of whining about sony fans , you should attack their legitimate arguments (if you can).

 

 

Facts are :

 

- X1 has a better texture filtering

- PS4 version has a better resolution so less aliasing

- PS4 version has a better framerate

- PS4 version  has pom

That is not what the article says, did I miss something?

"Otherwise next-gen console owners get the full package. Both platforms benefit from POM, a procedural rendering technique that creates the effect of bumps and divots to more complex texture-work. For the brick patterning around the Crippled Burrick, this adds a strong sense of 3D definition that matches the PC - though there are some parts of the world that go untouched. PS4 and Xbox One owners also have screen space reflections enabled (fixed lights reflected in puddles and windows), plus the demanding tessellation option available on PC."

Go back through this thread. You'll see screenshots showing a lack of POM on X1. It should be obvious on the video in the article as well.

It's beginning to look like there are a few mistakes in this article. I'd also be truly shocked if the trilinear filtering comment is true. Both consoles should be using 8X or 16X Anistropic Filtering as minimum considering their GPU power. Trilinear filtering shouldn't be used in any of the next gen consoles (including Wii U). Hell, devs should have stopped trilinear filtering 10 years ago.




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Dark_Feanor on 01 March 2014
Scoobes said:

Go back through this thread. You'll see screenshots showing a lack of POM on X1. It should be obvious on the video in the article as well.

It's beginning to look like there are a few mistakes in this article. I'd also be truly shocked if the trilinear filtering comment is true. Both consoles should be using 8X or 16X Anistropic Filtering as minimum considering their GPU power. Trilinear filtering shouldn't be used in any of the next gen consoles (including Wii U). Hell, devs should have stopped trilinear filtering 10 years ago.

I saw the pics, can´t see any significant difference.

Off course, we should all trust in randon internet pic other than the most important and respectable tech analysis site.

Or, well, may be is the same case as Battlefield 4 when the POM as added to XOne version in a day one patch.



Justagamer on 01 March 2014
Aerys said:
Justagamer said:
Aerys said:
Justagamer said:
Too_Talls said:

DF gave the nod to the bone? noo00 they are fanboys, throw out everything they ever said including all the favorable ps4 comparisons.

Some are sure picky with what they choose to support.


Exactly. If they can't be trusted here, then don't use their word for anything. Well said too talls.

Or both of you could see that from a less childish way, they just made a mistake ( not like if it was their first), because of rushed  comparison about a game nobody care.

Point is, Sony fans would have used this as a point of gloating. What's more childish? Gloating when it suits your needs, or crying foul when it does not? You can't have both! If they're trustworthy one way, then don't claim them to be untrustworthy the other. Simple, not childish. 

Not every situation is the same,you're too manichean and childish in your logic, instead of whining about sony fans , you should attack their legitimate arguments (if you can).

 

 

Facts are :

 

- X1 has a better texture filtering

- PS4 version has a better resolution so less aliasing

- PS4 version has a better framerate

- PS4 version  has pom


Facts are: you're acting like a defensive child. Stop. 

Fact: DF didn't say what you wanted to hear, so you call me a child every time you respond, when it is in fact you acting like a childish fan. Get over yourself. And trying to use big words won't hide how childish and defensive you are being. Fact.

fact: DF came to a conclusion. You didn't like it. That's why you keep coming at me, like a child would..... 

Ultimately, although it's an analisys, it's also an opinion, one you obviously are finding very difficult to accept.

So, you were saying?



lucidium on 01 March 2014
Justagamer said:
Normchacho said:
GribbleGrunger said:
Very odd conclusion:


I just saw this in the video, what the hell is that?


Well, if you pause this right when it pops out, you'll notice it looks exactly like the ps4 version. Which means the x1 version is actually using enhanced shadows up close compared to the ps4, at least judging by this small clip. Look at it, it's there for anyone who wants to see it.

Not to start an argument here but the Xbox one version isn't using "enhanced shadows up close it has simply not streamed in the full resolution of the light map textures in time, the harsh pop-in of lighter edges is the engine loading them in last minute to what they should be, a light map is essentially just a monochrome texture, and in the same way that the ps4 flag lacked detail until fully loaded, the Xbox ones light mapping lacked detail until fully loaded.

 

Also, I'm not buying that the ps4 version is using trilinear, there is no progressive banding, just entire surfaces in some shots seem overly blurry compared to distance textures in other shots, ENTIRE surfaces even if those surfaces extend from the distance in to the foreground, it doesn't take a background of being a developed to notice the stark difference between the two.

 

If you ask me the real problem is simply the use if UE3, both versions have problems with streaming data while the ps4 struggles the most, were the game something I actually wanted to play I'd be inclined to buy it and do an analysis of my own on the same frames with partial and full installs, but I really don't want to buy a crap game just to make a point.



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Normchacho on 01 March 2014
Justagamer said:
Aerys said:
Justagamer said:
Aerys said:
Justagamer said:
Too_Talls said:

 

 

 



Not every situation is the same,you're too manichean and childish in your logic, instead of whining about sony fans , you should attack their legitimate arguments (if you can).

 

 

Facts are :

 

- X1 has a better texture filtering

- PS4 version has a better resolution so less aliasing

- PS4 version has a better framerate

- PS4 version  has pom


Facts are: you're acting like a defensive child. Stop. 

Fact: DF didn't say what you wanted to hear, so you call me a child every time you respond, when it is in fact you acting like a childish fan. Get over yourself. And trying to use big words won't hide how childish and defensive you are being. Fact.

fact: DF came to a conclusion. You didn't like it. That's why you keep coming at me, like a child would..... 

Ultimately, although it's an analisys, it's also an opinion, one you obviously are finding very difficult to accept.

So, you were saying?

You're really going to sit here and call him a child while attacking him instead of taking part in the debate and actually talking  about the points he brought up? You sir are the child.



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-CraZed- on 01 March 2014
Justagamer said:
Normchacho said:
GribbleGrunger said:
Very odd conclusion:


I just saw this in the video, what the hell is that?


Well, if you pause this right when it pops out, you'll notice it looks exactly like the ps4 version. Which means the x1 version is actually using enhanced shadows up close compared to the ps4, at least judging by this small clip. Look at it, it's there for anyone who wants to see it.

What are you even talking about? All I saw was a pop-in shadow. I see nothing "enhanced' there.



Normchacho on 01 March 2014
Justagamer said:
Normchacho said:
GribbleGrunger said:
Very odd conclusion:


I just saw this in the video, what the hell is that?


Well, if you pause this right when it pops out, you'll notice it looks exactly like the ps4 version. Which means the x1 version is actually using enhanced shadows up close compared to the ps4, at least judging by this small clip. Look at it, it's there for anyone who wants to see it.


what? Ooook I guess...I wouldn't really call them enchanced just because it's darker...but you do what you've gotta do.



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Justagamer on 01 March 2014
Normchacho said:
Justagamer said:
Aerys said:
Justagamer said:
Aerys said:
Justagamer said:
Too_Talls said:

 

 

 



Not every situation is the same,you're too manichean and childish in your logic, instead of whining about sony fans , you should attack their legitimate arguments (if you can).

 

 

Facts are :

 

- X1 has a better texture filtering

- PS4 version has a better resolution so less aliasing

- PS4 version has a better framerate

- PS4 version  has pom


Facts are: you're acting like a defensive child. Stop. 

Fact: DF didn't say what you wanted to hear, so you call me a child every time you respond, when it is in fact you acting like a childish fan. Get over yourself. And trying to use big words won't hide how childish and defensive you are being. Fact.

fact: DF came to a conclusion. You didn't like it. That's why you keep coming at me, like a child would..... 

Ultimately, although it's an analisys, it's also an opinion, one you obviously are finding very difficult to accept.

So, you were saying?

You're really going to sit here and call him a child while attacking him instead of taking part in the debate and actually talking  about the points he brought up? You sir are the child.


The only point brought up is that he, and a few others here, can't accept what they came up with. My point is: GET OVER IT! See? Very simple really. And when he calls me a child, it's not attacking, I use it against him the same way, and that attacking? Please.... The ones upset over this are the childish ones. If that upsets you, well, I can live with that. DF themselves said what he highlights. So what's the points he made? They say the resolution on ps4 is higher, the frame rate is slightly better. But in their OPiNION, probably due to using ancient tri-linear filtering, the x1 version, in their OPINION, looks superior. I can accept opinions, if that's childish, then what's that make you and he? In that case, I'm completely ok with being childish, considering the other option.....



Justagamer on 01 March 2014
Normchacho said:
Justagamer said:
Normchacho said:
GribbleGrunger said:
Very odd conclusion:


I just saw this in the video, what the hell is that?


Well, if you pause this right when it pops out, you'll notice it looks exactly like the ps4 version. Which means the x1 version is actually using enhanced shadows up close compared to the ps4, at least judging by this small clip. Look at it, it's there for anyone who wants to see it.


what? Ooook I guess...I wouldn't really call them enchanced just because it's darker...but you do what you've gotta do.


It's just that it seems like lod management. Usually that means if it taking something away it's because it's less graphically intensive. But, like lucidium said though, it's probably just loading up the graphics still at that point. I don't know. Just an observation. Look I don't have an x1, don't plan on getting one until it's cheap and they drop that pos kinect. I have a ps4, I'm being completely neutral here. I'm not just going to jump up and proclaim ps4 every time. I saw a clip, with zero context, and made a judgement. No biggy. People are way too emotionally invested in this whole thing..... Just accept their opinion, because that's what it is at the end of the day, and move on... I personally like the lens of truth analysis more myself, but I find DF interesting all the same....