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fatslob-:O on 22 February 2014
selnor1983 said:
Most internet gamers don't/wont accept Sony is right now in HUGE trouble. I think Playstation itself coul exist without Sony. As in acquired before liquidation or sold off. But I don't expect Playstation to be what it is today by 2020. Nintendo and Xbox are worth more than the playstation brand in business terms. Xbox is worth more than all of Sony at $23 billion for example. Sony in its entirity is worth $19.5 billion, but also has more than triple that in debt.

Worth means nothing if a division makes no net profit ... Hence why microsoft can't compete with Sony or Nintendo.



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SweetTalia on 22 February 2014
selnor1983 said:
Most internet gamers don't/wont accept Sony is right now in HUGE trouble. I think Playstation itself coul exist without Sony. As in acquired before liquidation or sold off. But I don't expect Playstation to be what it is today by 2020. Nintendo and Xbox are worth more than the playstation brand in business terms. Xbox is worth more than all of Sony at $23 billion for example. Sony in its entirity is worth $19.5 billion, but also has more than triple that in debt.

Basically, this folks.



Praise the One.

Sardauk on 22 February 2014
fatslob-:O said:
selnor1983 said:
Most internet gamers don't/wont accept Sony is right now in HUGE trouble. I think Playstation itself coul exist without Sony. As in acquired before liquidation or sold off. But I don't expect Playstation to be what it is today by 2020. Nintendo and Xbox are worth more than the playstation brand in business terms. Xbox is worth more than all of Sony at $23 billion for example. Sony in its entirity is worth $19.5 billion, but also has more than triple that in debt.

Worth means nothing if a division makes no net profit ... Hence why microsoft can't compete with Sony or Nintendo.


Microsoft compete with Apple btw....



 

Evan Wells (Uncharted 2): I think the differences that you see between any two games has much more to do with the developer than whether it’s on the Xbox or PS3.

selnor1983 on 22 February 2014
fatslob-:O said:
selnor1983 said:
Most internet gamers don't/wont accept Sony is right now in HUGE trouble. I think Playstation itself coul exist without Sony. As in acquired before liquidation or sold off. But I don't expect Playstation to be what it is today by 2020. Nintendo and Xbox are worth more than the playstation brand in business terms. Xbox is worth more than all of Sony at $23 billion for example. Sony in its entirity is worth $19.5 billion, but also has more than triple that in debt.

Worth means nothing if a division makes no net profit ... Hence why microsoft can't compete with Sony or Nintendo.

Xbox is the only one of the 3 to post a profit every quater since 2008 Q3. What happened at the beginning is irrelevant. If someone was looking to aquire Xbox today it would be based on it being consistantly profitable for the last 5 years.



DamnTastic on 22 February 2014
Sardauk said:
DamnTastic said:
Sardauk said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Dumb article is retarded. Considering their insurance is the best for the company and movies and music is usually solid and if they keep delivering with phones... sony isnt just playstation and you should be embarrassed posting this rubish


Would you invest your money on Sony stocks ? With Apple,Samsung... destroying its core business ?

Since when can an industry giant make a strong profit on musics and movies ?

To be honest. I think now is the right time to invest in sony.

The technicals are looking very good for a nice run this year imho. That ofcourse if there isn't a major pullback 

http://www.marketconsensus.com/news/sony-stock-analysis-sne-buy-or-sell-sony-valuation-news-share

At the end of 2013, it wasx moderate buy with possibility for a Hold or Sell.

And now Strong buy it seems : http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/sne/recommendations

I can't read that first link.

And mostly I don'tpurely listen to forecasts. I bought AMD in november against all advices and made 20% profit.

Here's why I think sony will go up, if this SHS pattern completes ofcourse.



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DamnTastic on 22 February 2014
selnor1983 said:
Most internet gamers don't/wont accept Sony is right now in HUGE trouble. I think Playstation itself coul exist without Sony. As in acquired before liquidation or sold off. But I don't expect Playstation to be what it is today by 2020. Nintendo and Xbox are worth more than the playstation brand in business terms. Xbox is worth more than all of Sony at $23 billion for example. Sony in its entirity is worth $19.5 billion, but also has more than triple that in debt.

I'm sorry to wake you up, but if you're going from that bloomberg article that said what xbox was worth...

Playstation is worth even more then.



Aerys on 22 February 2014

MS doesnt make profit with xbox, they include other stuff ( windows phone, ... ) to make believe the profits come from xbox division

Sony makes profit on with playstation since PS4 release.



Predictions for end of 2014 HW sales:

 PS4: 17m   XB1: 10m    WiiU: 10m   Vita: 10m

 

fatslob-:O on 22 February 2014
selnor1983 said:
fatslob-:O said:
selnor1983 said:
Most internet gamers don't/wont accept Sony is right now in HUGE trouble. I think Playstation itself coul exist without Sony. As in acquired before liquidation or sold off. But I don't expect Playstation to be what it is today by 2020. Nintendo and Xbox are worth more than the playstation brand in business terms. Xbox is worth more than all of Sony at $23 billion for example. Sony in its entirity is worth $19.5 billion, but also has more than triple that in debt.

Worth means nothing if a division makes no net profit ... Hence why microsoft can't compete with Sony or Nintendo.

Xbox is the only one of the 3 to post a profit every quater since 2008 Q3. What happened at the beginning is irrelevant. If someone was looking to aquire Xbox today it would be based on it being consistantly profitable for the last 5 years.

You do realize that they hide the losses with android patent liscensing, right ? 



binary solo on 22 February 2014
Mummelmann said:
At least they have started to shed the real money drains (PC and TV divisions). The challenge now is that if a massive loss or other problems occurr; they are a considerably smaller company in both assets and credit rating to soak losses and each division shed yields less and less product volume in goods and service to climb back up towards high revenue and profit.

Still tough times ahead, they're not clear of the woods yet, by far, but they are moving in the right direction and facing the challenge head-on at least. Hope they make it, always been a great fan of their products.

They aren't selling off TV, not yet anway, they are making it a separate company wholly owned by Sony, so if TV ever does start making profits then SOny still benefits financially. And if TV becomes very profitable and has a very sustainable business they might even bring it back into the fold some day. But more than likely they are segregating TV to sell as a going concern at some point.

It seems the only Xbox fan who's threads about Sony's financial prospects you should take seriously is kowenicki. Everyone else seems to completely misunderstand the words they are reading, because they start salivating over the prospect of Sony dying and PS ceasing to exist.

Sure, in terms of consumer electronics, PS is now the premier brand and the only one looking like it will make decent profits for the company for a while at least. But that's not all the company is. Selling off PC and spinning off TV should see Sony with pretty solid financial performance for the next financial year, and it's why despite the projected $1.1B loss Sony's share price has gone up and market advisers are recommending Sony as a buy.

It's quite amusing really, Sony today looks like a more sound and stable company than it has in the last 4 or 5 but we've been getting more ridiculous doom threads now than we've seen in the last few years.



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bubblegamer on 22 February 2014

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