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thismeintiel on 14 February 2014
DJEVOLVE said:
thismeintiel said:
Price cut is definitely not enough. What MS needs to do is get rid of Kinect. Then drop the price to $349. Then flood the market with good exclusives. Of course, MS may not do any of them. At least, not any time soon. They'll probably hold out til Titanfall, to see what that game does. Of course, by then the gap will probably be 500K+ in the US.

After Titanfall, they are either going to keep the Kinect and lower the price to $449, or get rid of the Kinect and drop the price to $399. Either way, it will still put it at the same price as the PS4, while being less powerful, which still isn't going to fly for most consumers. And they don't have enough studios power to constantly churn out good quality exclusives. About half, maybe more, of their studios are probably working on Kinect games and/or apps. The other studios aren't ready to launch games, yet, with their largest franchise not being read til 2015. Which is why MS has to resort to purchasing 3rd party exclusives, ones that will most likely make their way onto the PS4 in a year or so, whether as a port or sequel.

Of course, these changes are only mostly going to boost sales in NA. Every where is, like EU and Japan, its pretty much over.

Xbox One at 399 with kinect I think is better, this way they can compete on both levels. The casuals will buy in but not for this price. 399, maybe.

I think you're going to have to wait a year or so for that package, unless MS wants to start taking big losses with each sale.



 

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DJEVOLVE on 14 February 2014
JoeTheBro said:
Price parity with the PS4 would stop the situation from being worse, but no it certainly wouldn't turn things around. Microsoft needs to give gamers in mass a reason to get the system over the more popular PS4. Games games games are the way to go, as well as exclusive features.


With kinect being bonus, yet at the same price. 



DJEVOLVE on 14 February 2014
thismeintiel said:
DJEVOLVE said:
thismeintiel said:
Price cut is definitely not enough. What MS needs to do is get rid of Kinect. Then drop the price to $349. Then flood the market with good exclusives. Of course, MS may not do any of them. At least, not any time soon. They'll probably hold out til Titanfall, to see what that game does. Of course, by then the gap will probably be 500K+ in the US.

After Titanfall, they are either going to keep the Kinect and lower the price to $449, or get rid of the Kinect and drop the price to $399. Either way, it will still put it at the same price as the PS4, while being less powerful, which still isn't going to fly for most consumers. And they don't have enough studios power to constantly churn out good quality exclusives. About half, maybe more, of their studios are probably working on Kinect games and/or apps. The other studios aren't ready to launch games, yet, with their largest franchise not being read til 2015. Which is why MS has to resort to purchasing 3rd party exclusives, ones that will most likely make their way onto the PS4 in a year or so, whether as a port or sequel.

Of course, these changes are only mostly going to boost sales in NA. Every where is, like EU and Japan, its pretty much over.

Xbox One at 399 with kinect I think is better, this way they can compete on both levels. The casuals will buy in but not for this price. 399, maybe.

I think you're going to have to wait a year or so for that package, unless MS wants to start taking big losses with each sale.


Atleast by the fall.



JoeTheBro on 14 February 2014
DJEVOLVE said:
JoeTheBro said:
Price parity with the PS4 would stop the situation from being worse, but no it certainly wouldn't turn things around. Microsoft needs to give gamers in mass a reason to get the system over the more popular PS4. Games games games are the way to go, as well as exclusive features.


With kinect being bonus, yet at the same price. 

Very little early adopters want kinect. Accept it man, accept it!

 

Kinect would need a killer app, like the PS4 Camera's "show" streaming, to change that. Right now it's just for menu navigation and very few games.



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kungfuian on 14 February 2014

I just don't get it? If including kinect with every system means lower specs, inferior ports (from a technical level) and an extra $100 on the price tag, then why aren't they trying to leverage the damned thing at all? IMO lower game specs suck, but they might be mitigated by you know, actually using the kinect to enhance games somehow!

I'm not Microsoft R&D but I can image at least a few really cool things that can be added to enhance games using kinect. Aside from the voice stuff (which can be a cool plus) they could incorporate features like pseudo virtual window head tracking, bio-metric and facial feedback systems, environment/object scanning, etc. We want to see stuff that makes us say "who cares about a little resolution, my game does this, this, and this and yours doesn't"

This is the real problem Microsoft faces. Screw resolution; where is the kinect proof of concept that sells us on the 100 price tag?

IMO Microsoft have done, and continue to do, a really piss poor job developing and promoting any true gaming enhancing features for this 'essential' device they built their gaming system around!

Plain and simple; they either have to sell us on kinect or ditch the thing!



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DJEVOLVE on 14 February 2014
kungfuian said:
I just don't get it? If including kinect with every system means lower specs, inferior ports (from a technical level) and an extra $100 on the price tag, then why aren't they trying to leverage the damned thing at all? IMO lower game specs suck, but they might be mitigated by you know, actually using the kinect to enhance games somehow!

I'm not Microsoft R&D but I can image at least a few really cool things that can be added to enhance games using kinect. Aside from the voice stuff (which can be a cool plus) they could incorporate features like pseudo virtual window head tracking, bio-metric and facial feedback systems, environment/object scanning, etc. We want to see stuff that makes us say "who cares about a little resolution, my game does this, this, and this and yours doesn't"

This is the real problem Microsoft faces. Screw resolution; where is the kinect proof of concept that sells us on the 100 price tag?

IMO Microsoft have done, and continue to do, a really piss poor job developing and promoting any true gaming enhancing features for this 'essential' device they built their gaming system around!

Plain and simple; they either have to sell us on kinect or ditch the thing!


Push Illimiroom as a ad on for kinect. This way it can be used in another way.



DJEVOLVE on 14 February 2014
JoeTheBro said:
DJEVOLVE said:
JoeTheBro said:
Price parity with the PS4 would stop the situation from being worse, but no it certainly wouldn't turn things around. Microsoft needs to give gamers in mass a reason to get the system over the more popular PS4. Games games games are the way to go, as well as exclusive features.


With kinect being bonus, yet at the same price. 

Very little early adopters want kinect. Accept it man, accept it!

 

Kinect would need a killer app, like the PS4 Camera's "show" streaming, to change that. Right now it's just for menu navigation and very few games.


Go read my longer post on the other page, I don't disagree.



mii-gamer on 14 February 2014

Nintendo would kill for Xbox One's numbers for the Wii U. Is it really that bad?



AZWification on 14 February 2014

Just give me Conker 2  and I will buy the Xbox One in a heartbeat dammit.



                
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allblue on 14 February 2014

From a PC gamer perspective, let me ease your worries OP. Microsoft has money to buy Sony a hundred fold if they wish to. Above all, with all that drama, 100 price tag and power difference, PS4 should be selling 3-4 times x1 which it is not.

Come Halo, Gears, Titan Fall, a lot more microsoft aggressive exclusive grabs will even see x1 overtake PS4. At the end of the gen, x1 will sell 80-90% of PS4 numbers.

Bet on it.



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