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generic-user-1 on 11 February 2014
Mummelmann said:
generic-user-1 said:
Mummelmann said:
generic-user-1 said:
Mummelmann said:
Late 2014 probably. I believe both will get a price cut in Q4 this year.

Multiplats are a lot bigger deal on the One, it has a couple of exclusives coming as well and Live is a big deal since the 7th gen.
Smash and Mario Kart will be big, Yoshi, X, Hyrule and Bayo 2 won't do much at all though, I don't understand why people keep listing these games. Especially Bayo 2; this won't even be a blip on the radar on sales lists, it wasn't even very big on PS3 and 360, the only ripples it will cause are the wrinkles on the forehead of those who expect it to have any kind of impact on the overall hardware sales situation. X and Hyrule are fairly safe best for Japan, but Japan is a tiny region for home consoles now and then one big territory that matters the least for the global total today. Yoshi? What the hell? Even the biggest one on the DS managed 2.7 million and this franchise has been more or less irrelevant since the N64's days, this won't put a dent in anyone's armor, only add more wrinkles to the forehead.

Call of Duty, Assassin' Creed, Titanfall, Halo, Destiny, Final Fantasy, FIFA, NBA, Madden, Watchdogs, these are games that will certainly help the One in 2014, while we know that multiplats help the Wii U only marginally (Assassins' Creed 4 sold terribly on Wii U, same with Call of Duty), these are fairly big, or even giant games on the One. Mario Kart and Smash will be huge, no doubt, but they can't bear the brunt of the work alone and be expected to keep the Wii U ahead for long.

To those saying "never"; come on. It's inevitable, the only question is the time frame. October or November 2014 is my guess. Depends a little on release schedules, timing of price cuts, marketing and whether or not MS wisen up and make the Kinect optional.

why should anyone buy a xbone for multiplatts? ps4 has more power and is cheaper.  and it will get worse when the nextgen realy hits. if we dont have ps360 xbone and ps4 to compare but just ps4 and xbone it will get realy ugly for ms.


Why did 8.2 million more Japanese buy a PS3 than a 360? The PS3's price was so high. Why did 16 million more US citizens buy 360's than PS3's? Why do people play multiplats on consoles at all and not PC; superior versions with free online and modding community? Why aren't we all PC gamers?

Why do you assume the One will remain 100$ more expensive? Why does the advantage in power matter so much? It still took the PS3 7 years to catch the 360 and they were both beaten the weaker Wii. Multiplats have a larger impact on One than on the Wii U, I hope you're not trying to contest that. I'm not implying that multiplats will skyrocket the One into orbit; I'm merely suggesting that it will provide a lot more aid for the One than the Wii U, which is undisputable regardless. There are also franchises like Halo and Gears that have yet to make their presence known; games like those will also help push the One above the Wii U. If the One can't manage to at least double the Wii U's lifetime sales; I'll be very, very surprised.

MS won't simply sit idly by and watch their console being destroyed in weekly sales. There is just no way that the One won't catch the Wii U and stay in front. The Wii U has shown beyond a doubt that it has a severe lack of appeal, whereas the One is brand new and has yet to employ any strategies or even receive any proper system selling software to give us an image of what it can do. People called doom on the Wii U in January/February 2013 and were told to hold off and give it a chance, yet now these people are calling doom on the One after a couple of months on the market.

i dont think the xbone will get a push from multiplats.
its not like last gen when the difference was little. 720 or 1080p is a lot. 

Are you suggesting that the One is incapable of rendering games in 1080p? We're two and-a half months into the One and PS4's life cycles, let's wait for something other than sem-rushed launch titles and stressed One/PS4/PS3/PC/360 multiplats to draw conclusions. Heck; even the PS3 was able to output 1080p in games, even though it rarely did. This whole imagined massive difference in the One and PS4's power is getting out of hand, this is very much like the PS3 - 360 all over again.

I'm not saying that the One will get a massive boost from multiplat titles; my point is that it will get a push at all, whereas the Wii U won't, and this, along with exclusives, terrific online, price cuts and having an actual product with appeal underneath, will help the One get the best of the Wii U.

Kinect is the One's biggest detractor now, they should remove it or at least make it optional, UI functions be damned.

Saying that the One won't get any push from multiplats seems strange, that doesn't make any sense, look at the 360's multiplats; even if there was only half the impact on the One; it would be noticeable and for sure bigger than the Wii U's. Besides; we don't know any more about the PS4's future than the others'. I have no doubt it (PS4) will win the 8th gen and by some measure, but people are discounting the One prematurely.


xbox 360 multiplats doesnt look so bad in comparission with the ps3 versions(both consoles have better looking multiplats) its even.

this generation its different, multiplats on ps4 look much better than on xbone.

if ms kills the kinect u just have a weaker console that can do the same things like the ps4 just not as good...



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Mummelmann on 11 February 2014
generic-user-1 said:


xbox 360 multiplats doesnt look so bad in comparission with the ps3 versions(both consoles have better looking multiplats) its even.

this generation its different, multiplats on ps4 look much better than on xbone.

if ms kills the kinect u just have a weaker console that can do the same things like the ps4 just not as good...


Most multiplats were superior on the 360 for several years, didn't stop them from having a good effect on the PS3's momentum.The 360 had a one year head-start and gained the upper hand at the start in developer relations.

I'm guessing the PS4 is the lead platform for most multiplat games now; the PS3 sustained its momentum the best of all the 7th gen contenders, the PS4 has a terrific public perception and a superb developer environment; it makes sense to make it the lead. I agree that multiplats will have a bigger impact on the PS4, the xbox doesn't have any advantages in ease of development this time around and momentum begets momentum. But you're claiming that multiplats will have no impact on the One and that's crazy talk in my opinion.

I still think you're underestimating the One; it's way too early to say that the generation is set in stone when it comes to the PS4 and One.

If MS makes the Kinect optional; they will have a 399$ (perhaps even 349$ before the holidays) console with a much clearer market aim and no need to frantically run around trying to justify the Kinect as a traditional gaming device. UI issues can be patched and consolidated, in fact; I'm almost 100% certain that MS are working on this as we speak. Kinect is a massive philosophical and marketing problem and not much more at this point, and it was a huge mistake to make it mandatory.



LiquorandGunFun on 11 February 2014

With a much better library of games at the end of this year for the xbo, I think it will at the end of this year with holiday sales, plus with a cheaper xbo by that time.



 

Damkos on 11 February 2014
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In case you haven't noticed - my post was a pun of yours.

I know perfectly will that CoD on Wii U is not a best seller - still, it sells enough to make it profitable. Activision will publish the next one for sure. They did it twice already, despite the low sales.

Everybody said that Ryse is "oh-so-beautiful", pure system seller. Now it's below one million. Super Mario 3D World became a third best (I think) seller on Wii U in 2 months. It drove Wii U to respectable 300-400 during Holidays.

Donkey KOng sold big last time. Of course It won't sell 6 million again (haha, not enoguh consoles even), but again, my post WAS A PUN. but 2 -3 million lifetime is quite possible. That isn't bad, is it?
Aaaaand that Titanfall - which, mind you, relaeses on 360 an PC too. You expect huge sales from that? Overall - yes, but it's not exclusive to X1, this will have some impact but not much I'd say.

Now, Mario Kart 8 is a Wii U exclusive, 3rd best selling game EVER. and a fan favourite Smash bros (even non nitnendo people like it!). I have a friend who plays CoD, Gta and fifa only. He said he's gonna buy Wii U just for this game, same as he did with Wii - bought it only for Smash Brawl.

I think that's quite telling.


I'm pretty sure what you did there wasn't a pun.  You juat simply mimicked his post.

Pun, wordplay, mimicking - seems quite close to me. I just wanted to show that we may phrase our posts here whatever we like to prove our point.



kupomogli on 11 February 2014

My prediction is that Xbox One won't outsell the Wii U until Winter 2015(Oct-Dec.)



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lt_dan_27 on 11 February 2014
zorg1000 said:
lt_dan_27 said:
DevilRising said:
lt_dan_27 said:
I think the ps4 will outsell the wiiu by the end of march at the latest, and the xbox one will be around november.


You may well be right about the PS4, but with MK releasing in May, some of these other annoucned titles like Yoshi, Bayonetta and possibly X releasing in the summer, Smash Bros. likely in Sep/Oct., and the still existent possibility of Zelda U by perhaps Dec., I very very seriously doubt Xbone will pass Wii U in 2014 at all.

 

@dsp333

"This will be by far Wii U's best year, so while it might be tough this year, in the long run the One will absolutely crush the Wii U."

 

I disagree, the only game on there that will have that much appeal at this point will be smash bros and the POSSIBILITY of zelda. Which I've heard absolutely nothing about, so I doubt it's coming out this year. New games up sales for maybe a week or two usually. I don't see the other games uping sales that much, especially bayonetta. 

most people buy a console based on its full library, not 1-2 select titles

My thoughts exactly. 



Fusioncode on 11 February 2014
Mummelmann said:
generic-user-1 said:
 


xbox 360 multiplats doesnt look so bad in comparission with the ps3 versions(both consoles have better looking multiplats) its even.

this generation its different, multiplats on ps4 look much better than on xbone.

if ms kills the kinect u just have a weaker console that can do the same things like the ps4 just not as good...


Most multiplats were superior on the 360 for several years, didn't stop them from having a good effect on the PS3's momentum.The 360 had a one year head-start and gained the upper hand at the start in developer relations.

I'm guessing the PS4 is the lead platform for most multiplat games now; the PS3 sustained its momentum the best of all the 7th gen contenders, the PS4 has a terrific public perception and a superb developer environment; it makes sense to make it the lead. I agree that multiplats will have a bigger impact on the PS4, the xbox doesn't have any advantages in ease of development this time around and momentum begets momentum. But you're claiming that multiplats will have no impact on the One and that's crazy talk in my opinion.

I still think you're underestimating the One; it's way too early to say that the generation is set in stone when it comes to the PS4 and One.

If MS makes the Kinect optional; they will have a 399$ (perhaps even 349$ before the holidays) console with a much clearer market aim and no need to frantically run around trying to justify the Kinect as a traditional gaming device. UI issues can be patched and consolidated, in fact; I'm almost 100% certain that MS are working on this as we speak. Kinect is a massive philosophical and marketing problem and not much more at this point, and it was a huge mistake to make it mandatory.

I agree with you on the Kinect being an issue but I don't think Microsoft is ready to give up on it just yet. They want the XBO to be this all in one entertainment device and everything is sort of focused on the device. The entire UI was built around it. Microsoft seems to have a problem with just selling the XBO as a gaming machine and keeps trying to get it in every living room. They're trying to sell it to people who have no interest in games and just want to watch Netflix, I suppose Kinect makes that easier in their minds. 



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Mummelmann on 11 February 2014
Fusioncode said:
Mummelmann said:
generic-user-1 said:
 


xbox 360 multiplats doesnt look so bad in comparission with the ps3 versions(both consoles have better looking multiplats) its even.

this generation its different, multiplats on ps4 look much better than on xbone.

if ms kills the kinect u just have a weaker console that can do the same things like the ps4 just not as good...


Most multiplats were superior on the 360 for several years, didn't stop them from having a good effect on the PS3's momentum.The 360 had a one year head-start and gained the upper hand at the start in developer relations.

I'm guessing the PS4 is the lead platform for most multiplat games now; the PS3 sustained its momentum the best of all the 7th gen contenders, the PS4 has a terrific public perception and a superb developer environment; it makes sense to make it the lead. I agree that multiplats will have a bigger impact on the PS4, the xbox doesn't have any advantages in ease of development this time around and momentum begets momentum. But you're claiming that multiplats will have no impact on the One and that's crazy talk in my opinion.

I still think you're underestimating the One; it's way too early to say that the generation is set in stone when it comes to the PS4 and One.

If MS makes the Kinect optional; they will have a 399$ (perhaps even 349$ before the holidays) console with a much clearer market aim and no need to frantically run around trying to justify the Kinect as a traditional gaming device. UI issues can be patched and consolidated, in fact; I'm almost 100% certain that MS are working on this as we speak. Kinect is a massive philosophical and marketing problem and not much more at this point, and it was a huge mistake to make it mandatory.

I agree with you on the Kinect being an issue but I don't think Microsoft is ready to give up on it just yet. They want the XBO to be this all in one entertainment device and everything is sort of focused on the device. The entire UI was built around it. Microsoft seems to have a problem with just selling the XBO as a gaming machine and keeps trying to get it in every living room. They're trying to sell it to people who have no interest in games and just want to watch Netflix, I suppose Kinect makes that easier in their minds. 


That's their problem though; they lack clear market aim, their attempt at market convergence will be blunted by smart devices and they're trying to compete too heavily on the premises of the convenience market when they should really be focusing on what a console does better than any other consumer electronics device; play games on a grander scale. Their whole crusade of becoming the king of the living room can't happen, mostly due to the fact that they're too late, several other devices already provide you with everything you need and then some. Not to mention the fact that the living room entertainment has increasingly moved out of the living room itself and become more mobile (pun intended) and smaller in format and scope.

Of course, I think you're right that they're not ready to drop it, they might still waste a lot of time trying to make the lead balloon fly but they will hopefully, eventually wake up and start thinking a little bit about the whole situation.



DevilRising on 11 February 2014
zorg1000 said:
 

most people buy a console based on its full library, not 1-2 select titles

Don't discount the endless number of times people in these very threads have made statements to the effect of "I want to get a Wii U but I'm going to wait till Mario Kart/Smash Bros./Zelda comes out to finally get one", or similar statements like "I want a PS4, but I'll wait till _____ comes out before getting one". These statements are made all the time. People may indeed want a system for it's total library.......but often, people decide to make the jump to actually buy, based on 1-2 select titles. Cheers.



zorg1000 on 11 February 2014
DevilRising said:
zorg1000 said:
 

most people buy a console based on its full library, not 1-2 select titles

Don't discount the endless number of times people in these very threads have made statements to the effect of "I want to get a Wii U but I'm going to wait till Mario Kart/Smash Bros./Zelda comes out to finally get one", or similar statements like "I want a PS4, but I'll wait till _____ comes out before getting one". These statements are made all the time. People may indeed want a system for it's total library.......but often, people decide to make the jump to actually buy, based on 1-2 select titles. Cheers.

I agree a specific game can give a person the motivation to finally pick up a console but for most there has to be at least a couple other games that they want on it. If ur average consumer sees Mario Kart 8 is now out they might get interested in buying a Wii U then they go look at the other games and see Mario Kart 8 is literally the only game available they will probably reconsider. On the other hand if they go look at the other games and see NSMBU, 3D World, Tropical Freeze, Pikmin 3, Wind Waker HD, Nintendo Land, Wii Party U then they will most likely go ahead and buy a Wii U assuming those games appeal to them as well.



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