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I haven't seen anything on the system to suggest that. It's the 360 with a web browser and HDMI-in.



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thx1139 said:
ExistentialNihilist said:
double A batteries are the future. lawl

Seriously you brought up the type of batteries you use in the controller.  Eneloop for the win. Not only can I use them in a controller I can use them in other devices s well.  If the batteries run down I pop them out and pop in other rechargeables in moments.  Rather than have to be corded.



a device that says it's "all in one" need batteries. this is slap in the face. sorry you cant see it.

Soundwave said:
Jay520 said:

From what I have seen so far, I must disagree. The Xbox One doesn't seem to allow you to do anything dramatically different than what we were able to do before, like smart phones. Rather, the innovation behind the Xbox One lies more in execution and accessibility rather than actual features. The examples you gave with cable TV and "broader internet" (whatever that is) were already availlable to people. The Xbox One just made them easier, prettier, and able to talk to. 


Which makes it ground breaking for a TV device. 

Right now if you're watching TV dollars to donughts you can't Skype your friend instaneously while watching a basketball game or an episode of Game of Thrones and get their live reaction to it. You don't get gamer invites while you're watching TV. You can't have the football game on in the corner of the screen while playing online Battlefield or something.

That's the same as smartphones ... I mean I could check my Facebook and Mapquest to get directions and email before I had an iPhone ... but doing that through a phone was basically a walled off experience. Smartphones broke down those walls and let you do it all. 

I think XBox One does a similar thing for television. In the long run I think it will be seen as a game changer for what it means to be a "game console". 

I guess you and I have different definitions of groundbreaking.

Before touchscreen smartphones, things like internet surfing, gaming, etc. was extremely limited and/or annoying with buttons. Smartphones allowed for the ease of use of features which were otherwise a burden. Not only that, but the progressing technology also allowed for features/apps that were otherwise practically impossible. So I can see how the accessibility of touchscreens and the rapidly improving technology has been groundbreaking in the smartphone industry. Smartphones made things accessible that weren't accessibile. And they made things possible that weren't possible. And most importantly, these were for things that people wanted.

I'm not seeing similar grounds being broken with Xbone, primarily because I don't believe people want to do those things you listed. It seems like you're placing far too much emphasis on people's urge to multi-task. Moreover, some of those examples you listed are already possible and probably in more desired formats. For example, I can't see why anyone would want to skype and watch a basketball game on the same monitor when they could watch the game on their TV and skype on their laptop or tablet.

Again, smartphones made desirable features accessible that weren't accessibile, and they made desirable features possible that weren't possible. The Xbone provides features that aren't nearly as extremely desired, and many of the ones that are desired are already quite accessible. Much of the Xbone's appeal doesn't appear to be actually new features or even to make existing features more accessible; but rather, it provides the ability to perform many features simultaneously. I would say most people aren't so eager to do that.

For example, I can't see why anyone would want to skype and watch a basketball game on the same monitor when they could watch the game on their TV and skype on their laptop, tablet, etc. This is something that's already possible and accessible, so the enjoyment gain from the XBone isn't that great, if it exists at all. Mostly everything else is either (a) already possible and accessible, or (b) not desired enough for it to be groundbreaking. The only example you listed that I see as actually desirable is the ability to get invites while watching TV, which isn't something I would call groundbreaking.



ExistentialNihilist said:
thx1139 said:
ExistentialNihilist said:
double A batteries are the future. lawl

Seriously you brought up the type of batteries you use in the controller.  Eneloop for the win. Not only can I use them in a controller I can use them in other devices s well.  If the batteries run down I pop them out and pop in other rechargeables in moments.  Rather than have to be corded.



a device that says it's "all in one" need batteries. this is slap in the face. sorry you cant see it.

Yes built in batteries is what "all in one" means to me.  You caught me.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

Soundwave said:

I have multiple devices, but when watching TV this is far more convienant. Voice control television I think is definitely the optimal TV interface. I don't want to be looking down at my freaking tablet to message a friend when I'm trying to simultaneously watch Game of Thrones or the Heat-Bulls basketball game or something. 


Are you being serious right now? I cannot imagine anyone who actually wants to divide their time between a drama series like Game of Thrones while also keeping up with a basketball game. 

And I'm willing to bet that tactile controls will always be more desired than voice control in any setting where the user's hands are free.



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Jay520 said:

 

For example, I can't see why anyone would want to skype and watch a basketball game on the same monitor when they could watch the game on their TV and skype on their laptop, tablet, etc. This is something that's already possible and accessible, so the enjoyment gain from the XBone isn't that great. Mostly everything else is either (a) already possible and accessible, or (b) not desired enough for it to be groundbreaking. The only example you listed that I see as actually desirable is the ability to get invites while watching TV, which isn't something I would call groundbreaking.

Guess you do everthing alone. My family for instance. My sister moved to Arkansas a few years back. She loves to watch Bears games with her nephews.  Well now with Skype we can Skype in her house in and can watch the game together. Yes we could have a laptop up and be looking at it while the game is on. Except the laptop is on my lap and the game is on the screen on the wall. So you are looking at one instead of the other.  But also we are watching together as a group rather than 1 of us on a laptop chatting with her during the game. 



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

thx1139 said:
allblue said:
selnor1983 said:
Ive been saying this for for ages now. I don't believe over the next 10 years just a games console will win the hardware sales war. In 5 years people will easily afford an Xbox One. And it will be even more robust thanks to the design of the system being geared to this from day 1. IMO Sony will struggle to sell to outside the gamers. Where Microsoft I believe will really take Consoles to a new level of acceptance. Hell its not really a console.

Its a true multimedia device.


Give me a list of things that are truly innovative and practical that x1 does that ps4 doesn't. 

Can you create a list of things that the 1st iPhone truly innovated and practical that a Blackberry or a Windows Mobile device didnt already do?  Remember the 1st iPhone didnt even have an app store and they cost I forget was it $499 or $599 with a contract.   So what were the innovations?

iphone took off because it was the first of its kind with a large touch screen display, it was stylish, fancy and has a wow factor to it. The ipod was already immensely popular at that time, iphone combined the media capability like music, video, web browsing with functionality of a phone by getting rid of all the hessels like physical buttons. Steve job actually directly confronted blackberry and nokia in his presentation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3W58S29eSE

Like I said, give me a list of things very practical and innovative that x1 does and ps4 or smart tvs don't.



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thx1139 said:
Jay520 said:

 

For example, I can't see why anyone would want to skype and watch a basketball game on the same monitor when they could watch the game on their TV and skype on their laptop, tablet, etc. This is something that's already possible and accessible, so the enjoyment gain from the XBone isn't that great. Mostly everything else is either (a) already possible and accessible, or (b) not desired enough for it to be groundbreaking. The only example you listed that I see as actually desirable is the ability to get invites while watching TV, which isn't something I would call groundbreaking.

Guess you do everthing alone. My family for instance. My sister moved to Arkansas a few years back. She loves to watch Bears games with her nephews.  Well now with Skype we can Skype in her house in and can watch the game together. Yes we could have a laptop up and be looking at it while the game is on. Except the laptop is on my lap and the game is on the screen on the wall. So you are looking at one instead of the other.  But also we are watching together as a group rather than 1 of us on a laptop chatting with her during the game. 

Yes, I'm forever alone.

Anyway, the only difference here is that instead of turning your head 45 degrees, you can now see the other party in a small corner on the screen (or however it works). So Xbone in this instance prevents the user from having to move their head. Do you consider that groundbreaking?

Also, why can't you skype as a group if everyone has a laptop? (I'm not sure how skype works). 



allblue said:
thx1139 said:
allblue said:
selnor1983 said:
Ive been saying this for for ages now. I don't believe over the next 10 years just a games console will win the hardware sales war. In 5 years people will easily afford an Xbox One. And it will be even more robust thanks to the design of the system being geared to this from day 1. IMO Sony will struggle to sell to outside the gamers. Where Microsoft I believe will really take Consoles to a new level of acceptance. Hell its not really a console.

Its a true multimedia device.


Give me a list of things that are truly innovative and practical that x1 does that ps4 doesn't. 

Can you create a list of things that the 1st iPhone truly innovated and practical that a Blackberry or a Windows Mobile device didnt already do?  Remember the 1st iPhone didnt even have an app store and they cost I forget was it $499 or $599 with a contract.   So what were the innovations?

iphone took off because it was the first of its kind with a large touch screen display, it was stylish, fancy and has a wow factor to it. The ipod was already immensely popular at that time, iphone combined the media capability like music, video, web browsing with functionality of a phone by getting rid of all the hessels like physical buttons. Steve job actually directly confronted blackberry and nokia in his presentation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3W58S29eSE

Like I said, give me a list of things very practical and innovative that x1 does and ps4 or smart tvs don't.

So you 100% answered the way I wanted you to.  It was never about the capabilities. The iPhone wasnt a better phone. It was a crappy phone. It was the interface.  Lets face it the PS4 and Smart TVs interfaces are crap.    MS is going the exact same route that Apple took with the iPhone. They are building the better interface.  The Windows Mobile phone I had when the iPhone came out did everything the iPhone did and I could put apps and build apps for it.  Back then you couldnt even do that with the iPhone.  It was the interface that mattered.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

Well, it´s too early to tell, but from what I´ve seen the UI and integration with it is REALLY impressive and will be a new way to interact with your TV for alot of people.