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Max King of the Wild said:
Darth Tigris said:
ethomaz said:

I won't post in this thread but I think more MS users will want to read that... feel free to call me a fanboy, hater or anything else... you are welcome.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/28/5039586/new-xbox-live-terms-ask-users-to-commit-to-security-agree-to-share

Mods, if a user gives us permission, is it still bannable???

Obviously. It's called baiting and you should be able to refrain from taking it.

Did you honestly take me seriously?



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Darth Tigris said:

Did you honestly take me seriously?


Yes. 



Closed box EULAs aren't valid in the EU i believe, i think it was apple that lost a case about it.

If I read this right it will cross reference your details to make sure you have permission to use the app. Does that mean I won't be able to use my sister's sky go account on my xbox anymore?



What in the world was this thread made for? OP seriously what was your motive?



Mistershine said:
Closed box EULAs aren't valid in the EU i believe, i think it was apple that lost a case about it.

If I read this right it will cross reference your details to make sure you have permission to use the app. Does that mean I won't be able to use my sister's sky go account on my xbox anymore?

All Eula's are null and void if it attempts to nullify your basic consumer rights.
You can't also use "bait and switch" tactics either, at-least here anyway.

So, get to know your consumer rights, then you know what company's can and cannot do to you. :)



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NiKKoM said:
More shocked that anyone actually takes time to read those TOS.. Like we don't all scroll down and click on "accept"

Haha that's true, but I always feel bad whenever I do that.

I read once that some company, just to show that people don't read the TOS decided to add in an extra stipulation which asked the user to agree to selling their soul to the company, and the majority ended up agreeing to the term lol.



 

ethomaz said:

I won't post in this thread but I think more MS users will want to read that... feel free to call me a fanboy, hater or anything else... you are welcome.

A new terms of use agreement for Xbox Live will roll out later this week, Microsoft announced today, one that requires its users to agree to commit to keeping their account secure and, more importantly, allow the company to share certain personal data with its partners.

According to a post on Xbox Wire, the new Xbox Live terms of use "now asks all users to commit to keeping their contact information up to date" in an effort to bolster security.

"Protecting your account from unauthorized access and fraud is a top priority for us," the post reads. "It helps keep Xbox Live safer and more secure for everyone."

Microsoft's new terms also cover what information the company can share with partners who publish apps, like HBO Go, Netflix, ESPN, Last.fm and others that require a separate user account.

"If you choose to link this account with your Xbox Live account, we confirm key data points across the accounts by sharing data such as your name, address, email address and date of birth with the partner," the post reads. "In this TOU update, customers agree to allow Microsoft to share this information in this manner."

Microsoft's current terms of use, effective as of July 2013, can be read at Xbox.com. Xbox Live and Games for Windows Live TOU indicates that Microsoft can share certain personal information provided to the company, but the updated terms appear to grant the company broader use of that data.

We require certain permissions in order for you to evaluate or use and for us to enable the features and functions of the Xbox LIVE/Games for Windows-LIVE service. These features and functions include leaderboards, live-hosted gameplay, achievements, tournaments, and gamer profile sharing. If you evaluate or use or we enable these features and functions, you grant Microsoft and its affiliates, resellers, distributors, service providers, partners, and suppliers (each, a "Microsoft party") the following permissions: Microsoft parties may use, track, store, copy, distribute, broadcast, transmit, publicly display and perform, and reproduce: (i) your game scores; (ii) your game play sessions; (iii) your presence on the Xbox LIVE/Games for Windows-LIVE service; (iv) the time that you spend on or within particular portions of the Xbox LIVE/Games for Windows-LIVE service; (v) portions of the Xbox LIVE/Games for Window-LIVE service that are displayed on your monitor or screen and the duration of that display; (vi) rankings, statistics, gamer profiles, avatars, and content that you may submit; and (vii) other usage information. These permissions apply with or without attribution to you, your gamertag or avatar. We may use these permissions without notice or compensation to you of any kind. To avoid any confusion, we have the right to make information pertaining to your use of, and gameplay on, Xbox LIVE available through Games for Windows-LIVE, and vice versa. If you choose to link your Services account with the account of a Microsoft party on the Xbox LIVE service (for example, a game publisher or app provider), you agree that Microsoft may share limited account information with that Microsoft party. Such account information may include name, address, email and age but will not include any credit card or other payment information.

Microsoft's overarching online privacy statement indicates that Xbox Live account holders can opt out of sharing some of that information, but it's unclear if the following will change.

If you have an Xbox.com or Xbox LIVE account, you can set your contact preferences and choose whether to share your contact information with Xbox partners by accessing My Xbox on the Xbox 360 console or on the Xbox.com website. To access these settings on the Xbox.com website, select My Xbox, Profile then Contact Preferences. On the Xbox 360 console, select My Xbox, Profile then Online Safety.

We've contacted the company for additional clarification.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/28/5039586/new-xbox-live-terms-ask-users-to-commit-to-security-agree-to-share


no you are not a hater, since it is probably exactly the same for PS3, XB360, and PS4... or really close to it... this is a common thing all accross connected services.... google, FB, and many other do that and way worst... this is really not much to worry about... you either have to link your accounts and info are shared, or you don't and you have to re enter your info anyway in the app... I don't see what is news worthy in that ????



Serious_frusting said:
Well thats actually not standard agreements in europe. M$ have already been in trouble for similar practices.


not sure it applies in that case... and anyway the terms are not forbiden in EU, I believe they just have to put the box you can tick "do not share my information with 3rd parties"

that said in that case they are sharing information for accounts on apps you signed up for, for ease of use... pretty sure this is legal, you might have an extra pop up when you install the app in a EU country asking you if you agree to share info with the app when you install it...



UltimateUnknown said:
NiKKoM said:
More shocked that anyone actually takes time to read those TOS.. Like we don't all scroll down and click on "accept"

Haha that's true, but I always feel bad whenever I do that.

I read once that some company, just to show that people don't read the TOS decided to add in an extra stipulation which asked the user to agree to selling their soul to the company, and the majority ended up agreeing to the term lol.


http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/04/15/gamestation-we-own-your-soul/1



To me, that Indeed reads like pretty much every TOS.

But then again, I believe that this is true for pretty much everyone and every TOS, because except for lawyers, hardly anyone actually completely understands such texts (especially: how certain purposely vague phrases can be interpreted). Which is why we choose to be ignorant fools instead who just press "accept" and tell ourselves that it probably won't have seriously negative consequences.

So I believe that we will not know the full and true consequences/meaning of these TOS until shortly after Microsoft officially published them. Because by that time technology magazines will ask actual lawyers to analyze the text and translate it to common citizen's english.