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Jumpin said:
I believe in God, but I have also believed in evolution ever since I was a young child.

There is no need to have the two at odds with each other. Even the earliest Christians didn't believe in the literal interpretation of Genesis. Even the proto Christians wrote about how Genesis was allegorical.


How can you believe in both?

Is this really so hard to grasp?

It would be like asking a person: How can you believe in gravity and evolution?



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Considering about 80% of Americans are religious I'd say that's not a bad statistic. almost 43% of religious people acknowledge evolution as fact. That's progress given 0% accepted evolution a little over a century ago.



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AstroGamer said:

I decided to focus on randomness because you were focused on it. I was going to disregard this thread at the point I was inaccurately rebuted but you brought it back up. I never flat out said nature was random and I never called evolution random. I was explaining the definition of random I was using as I could not really think of another word that would fit that well in the last post. "Chaotic" perhaps or maybe "with degrees of uncertainty" may have fit now. I have also been trying to word my arguments so that they could fit a determinist, materialist ideology and was trying to take persons out of the equation since those would cause the differences between a libertarian and deterministic universe. I probably should have put that "traits are passed on to surviving generations" as in like natural selection. On Heisenberg principle, read the full sentence. Considered does not mean is. It just means people may think that it is. Like you seem to consider other's arguments wrong without considering your own argument wrong or insufficient when reading. 

No, you decided to focus on random because it was your initial position. I didn't bring it up, YOU did. Short memory? Do you know how to hit the enter key to format your response so it isn't a gigantic blob of shit? I'd appreciate that.

So instead of attempting to explain what you meant, you decided to mispresent your own position multiple times? I can't understand the thought process there. "degree of uncertainty" is not random either. If I have a 60% chance, there is plenty of uncertainty, but that doesn't mean it is random. Simply means it doesn't happen every time.

Libertarian? Lol wtf does politics have to do with science? 

I back my arguments with a ton of scientific sources, because I'm not an authority. You seem content to argue based upon your ignorance without sources and it certainly shows. Hope you can at least understand that.



Final-Fan said:

 

I'd like to say a few words to each of you: 
allenmaher, I agree with you and respect you, but I'd respect you more if you could spell.  If you're drunk-posting or something, then never mind, I guess. 

Ummm... given the timing of the post... yes about 99.8% chance of some degree of drunk posting.  I will try and run the spell checker next time (it was bad).  Scientists drink and play video games too. ;-] (but not while running very expensive instruments)



Tagged for later. I might post a mass evolutionary spiel as many people seem ignorant as to some of the details regarding evolution... or in some cases, anything related to evolution at all.



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To answer the original question:

1. Culture, socialization, and stability of group attachments: If there is one thing we know, group attachments are incredibly stable over time, so it is very difficult to change these once they take root, and Americans have a long history of religious belief. For instance, if you look at the data, younger people are about 10 percent less likely than other age categories to be religious because they have grown up in an environment that is less enamored with religion.

2. Question wording: Other gallup polls actually show that a majority of people believe evolution is true or probably true. Giving people the options presented in the original survey unnecessarily primes religious themes. Just asking people whether they believe in evolution or belief in creationism is a better method. I also think we need a lot more knowledge about what people think of when they are asked about evolution and creationism. For instance, whether they view them as being incompatible.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/evolution-creationism-intelligent-design.aspx

3. Whose fault? No one in particular.



Max King of the Wild said:
If evolution was glazed over then you must not have went to college....

tbh I've had evolution shoved down my throat through people in pop culture and atheists on facebook and college professors waaaaaaay more than Christianity.  I'm no hard core Christian I mostly keep my beliefs to myself and I just get constantly bombarded with how stupid I am because of it for some reason.




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platformmaster918 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
If evolution was glazed over then you must not have went to college....

tbh I've had evolution shoved down my throat through people in pop culture and atheists on facebook and college professors waaaaaaay more than Christianity.  I'm no hard core Christian I mostly keep my beliefs to myself and I just get constantly bombarded with how stupid I am because of it for some reason.

I honestly think it's pretty easy to make it through college without taking a course that discusses evolution, especially given all the options students have. I took two chemistry courses and physics to fullfill my science requirement. The only reason I was exposed to evolution in the classroom was through a philosophy class on science and religion.



orniletter said:
JWeinCom said:
Max King of the Wild said:
If evolution was glazed over then you must not have went to college....


Or... he didn't take Bio in college?  Typically, colleges require one semester of Natural Science or Lab Science, and there are a lot of choices that wouldn't involve evolution. 

Isn´t biology part of your....(I don´t know what the american equivalent is)....high school (?) education ?

I know this was said a while ago and people haven't really touched it since, I feel the need to point out that (at least in the United States) there are some states that literally have the teachers tell you that you don't have to be in class when they talk about evolution.  That if you are a creationist, you can skip that class (like in my state of South Carolina, this was the case).  So it is ignorant of anyone here to think that just because you went through public school up until 12th grade that you would know what evolution is. There are, indeed, places in the "great USA" that actually allows you to remain ignorant of evolution.  

In fact, our entire education system in the USA allows higher levels of ignorance due to the fact that it's too easy to graduate high school.  I literally did only a few of my homework assignments throughout my entire middle and high school career.  I goofed off in class every single day and pissed off the teachers all the time because the classes were that easy and I had nothing to do but wait around.  It is also that same reason that there are MANY people who don't try at all.  Those who don't listen or anything and disrespect everyone (and it has also become part of our culture here).

Not too long ago, I was talking to someone who literally thinks that the academic curriculum is a fraud and that the government tells us X and Y, that you can't trust science and only trust what you see yourself... yet goes on to say that the government is involved with 9/11, the drug war, the crash of the economy, and everything and that we are slaves to the government.  



MDMAlliance said:
orniletter said:
JWeinCom said:
Max King of the Wild said:
If evolution was glazed over then you must not have went to college....


Or... he didn't take Bio in college?  Typically, colleges require one semester of Natural Science or Lab Science, and there are a lot of choices that wouldn't involve evolution. 

Isn´t biology part of your....(I don´t know what the american equivalent is)....high school (?) education ?

I know this was said a while ago and people haven't really touched it since, I feel the need to point out that (at least in the United States) there are some states that literally have the teachers tell you that you don't have to be in class when they talk about evolution.  That if you are a creationist, you can skip that class (like in my state of South Carolina, this was the case).  So it is ignorant of anyone here to think that just because you went through public school up until 12th grade that you would know what evolution is. There are, indeed, places in the "great USA" that actually allows you to remain ignorant of evolution.  

In fact, our entire education system in the USA allows higher levels of ignorance due to the fact that it's too easy to graduate high school.  I literally did only a few of my homework assignments throughout my entire middle and high school career.  I goofed off in class every single day and pissed off the teachers all the time because the classes were that easy and I had nothing to do but wait around.  It is also that same reason that there are MANY people who don't try at all.  Those who don't listen or anything and disrespect everyone (and it has also become part of our culture here).

Not too long ago, I was talking to someone who literally thinks that the academic curriculum is a fraud and that the government tells us X and Y, that you can't trust science and only trust what you see yourself... yet goes on to say that the government is involved with 9/11, the drug war, the crash of the economy, and everything and that we are slaves to the government.  

That sounds terrible... and I thought the UK education system was bad.

It's bizzare because a lot of the best science research is done in the US, yet your description makes it sound like a miracle that anyone gets educated to degree level.