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Mnementh said:
insomniac17 said:

This makes me sad to be an American. The article is kindof exaggerated, but still, I see a lot of truth. Especially about Bush. Yes, he has made many mistakes, but he has done good things as well. and the part about the army is a very good point. What do you all think about this? Please no flaming, I just want to see what people think about the statements in this.

 

"The following is attributed to Jay Leno:

 

The other day I was reading Newsweek magazine and came across some poll data I found rather hard to believe. It must be true, given the source, right?

 

The Newsweek poll alleges that 67 percent of Americans are unhappy with the direction the country is headed and 69 percent of the country is unhappy with the performance of the President. In essence 2/3s of the citizenry just ain't happy and want a change.

 

So I started thinking, ''What are we so unhappy about?''

A. Is it that we have electricity and clean fresh running water 24 hours a day, 7 days a week?

B. Is our unhappiness the result of having air conditioning in the summer and comfortable heating in the winter?

C. Could it be that 95.4 percent of these unhappy folks have a job?

D. Maybe it is the ability to walk into a grocery store at any time and see more food in moments than Darfur has seen in the last year?

E. Perhaps it is the ability to drive from the Pacific Ocean to the Atlantic without having to present identification papers as we pass through each state?

F. Or possibly the hundreds of clean and safe motels we would find along the way that can provide comfortable temporary shelter?

G. I guess having thousands of restaurants with varying cuisine from around the world is just not good enough.

H. Or could it be that when we wreck our car, emergency workers show up and provide services to help all and they might even send a helicopter to take you to the hospital.

I. Perhaps you are one of the 70 percent of Americans who own a home.

J. You may be upset with knowing that in the unfortunate case of a fire, a group of trained firefighters will appear in moments and use top notch equipment to extinguish the flames thus saving you, your family and your belongings.

K. Or if, while at home watching one of your many flat screen TVs, a burglar or prowler intrudes, an officer equipped with a gun and a bullet-proof vest will come to defend you and your family against attack or loss.

L. All this in the backdrop of neighborhoods free of bombs, militias, raping or pillaging of the residents, neighborhoods where 90% of teenagers own cell phones and computers.

M. How about the complete religious, social and political freedoms we enjoy that are the envy of everyone in the world?

 

Maybe that is what has 67% of you folks unhappy.

 

Fact is, we are the largest group of ungrateful, spoiled brats the world has ever seen. No wonder the world loves the U.S., yet has a great disdain for its citizens. They see us for what we are. The most blessed people in the world who do nothing but complain about what we don't have, and what we hate about the country instead of thanking the good Lord that we live here. I know, I know. What about the president who took us into war and has no plan to get us out? The president who has a measly 31 percent approval rating? Is this the same president who guided the nation in the dark days after 9/11? The president that cut taxes to bring an economy out of recession? Could this be the same guy who has been called every name in the book for succeeding in keeping all the spoiled ungrateful brats safe from terrorist attacks? The commander in chief of an all-volunteer army that is out there defending you and me?

 

Did you hear how bad the President is on the news or talk show? Did this news affect you so much, make you so unhappy you couldn't take a look around for yourself and see all the good things and be glad?

 

Think about it. Are you upset at the President because he actually caused you personal pain OR is it because the 'Media' told you he was failing to kiss your sorry ungrateful behind every day.

 

Make no mistake about it. The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases may have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go. They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig.

 

So why then the discontentment in the minds of 69 percent of Americans? Say what you want but we can blame it on the media. They specialize in bad news. Everybody will watch a car crash with blood and guts. How many will watch kids selling lemonade at the corner? The media knows this. They offer what sells, and when criticized, try to defend their actions by 'justifying' them in one way or another.

 

We should start being grateful for all we have as a country. There is exponentially more good than bad. We are among the most blessed people on Earth and we should be thankful and appreciative."


In the Clinton-era where no electricity and fresh water? And there was no air-condition and heating as the first Bush was president? Employment was unknown under Reagan? The people in the USA starved before Bush? And so on. The articles lists hundred things that are fine, but nothing of that actually was reached by Bush. Should all people in the US gateful, that his government wasn't so bad, that all these things are gone lost? Admitted, he wasn't that bad as a president. But bad enough. This thread fails. EPIC.


 That bit has nothing to do with politics. Its saying that we have a ton of stuff here that we take for granted. 



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Played_Out said:
Legend11 said:
It took me all of 1 second to figure out that the original post was made by some George W. Bush supporter trying to gloss over incompetence (at the time it was written to guilt people into not getting angry over how the Hurricane Katrina disaster was being handled).

Here's proof that the original letter in the first post in this thread is a fake:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/hitnail.asp

I'm glad you posted that link. I always thought Leno was a pretty cool guy, and I couldnt believe he spouted a lot of that ignorant crap that was in the OP. Thanks for restoring my faith in him and his massive chin.


 I only included that bit about Jay Leno because I didn't know where my parents found it, I seriously doubt anyone I have ever heard of wrote that (unless it was Bush himself lol).



FunKrusher said:
Yeah I'm grateful to live in America, but that letter screams of a pro-Bush supporter.

Complete bullshit. You know why more than half the country is fed up with the current President and his administration. Hmm... maybe for starters because we he entered the office he had 5 billion dollar surplus (one of the largest ANY administration has ever had access to) and it took him all of a year or two to turn that into a deficit.

 Forget about a thing called 9/11 and the upcoming recession that was on the virge since the mid 1990's? Or the fact that at the end of the Clinton administration things were going south already? Oh yea you mustve known that, but yea Dubya is to blame for it all. Forget the House who makes our budgets and the Senate who approves them.

Maybe it's because he stood up in front of millions of Americans and blatantly lied to us about invading another country. Claiming they had weapons which did they did not have. And further spent gazillions of our money. My money that I work hard for on a war or invasion that was birthed in lies.

So he lied? Even though it was on false information. So is that a lie or a mistake? Hm... I guess you can spin it anyway you want but most Americans, the government, CIA, and UN believed they had WMD's, but you know, it was Bush who made the entire plan right, not his advisors or the government. Yup Dubya did it again.

Maybe it's because after he knowingly invaded this country under false pretense (weapons of mass distrutcion my ass). He once again got infront of millions of americans ADMITTED THAT HIS INTEL WAS WRONG ON THE SITUATION. And in so many words ADMITTED THAT HE SENT OUR ARMY TO INVADE THIS COUNTRY UNDER FALSE PRETENSE.

Hm, so you discredit him for "lying" and then when he admits he was wrong and we've all been duped you discredit him again. Jeez, I wonder if he sneezes if thats wrong too. If anything I like to see a President get in front of America and say hes wrong instead of lying. What are we supposed to do anyway once we already invaded and took over their country? "Our bad, we'll just leave you without your leader, army and any kind of government... Our bad..." 


Maybe because everytime we turned around and were wondering about things on the home front (jobs, welfare- no not just for poor people but student loans, housing, etc. education for the youth, etc.) all he could talk about was how he needed more money, more troops, and how we needed to solidfy a country that we had no business "occupying" in the first place.

Seeing as the biggest issue for the past 4 years was Iraq, I think it warranted him talking about that most of all. Seeing as how that is what his legacy will be tarnished with, it warrants the spotlight on it. Whose to say he ignored all those things anyway? At least he tried fixing it with the No Child Left Behind. (While I only bring this up to show he tried to fix it, although it is a stupid law and the next president will destroy it.) 


Maybe it's because as we saw our country slowly sliding into a recession. Our currency almost being non-existent on the world market. The cost of living going up, up, up, up, up and wages either lowering or staying the same. All of this continued.

Bush actually has significantly raised minimum wage, and its still rising. But I guess the recession is his fault, I mean it was coming since the 90's and I guess it is his fault since he wasnt in power right? My goodness Dubya whyd you ruin us with something that you were trying to prevent this whole time! Argh!


Maybe it's because some of us (ME) working class folk, who need to go to work40 hours a week just to get by, don't really think that president or this adminstration has our (my) best interest in mind.

I agree.
Don't give me that oh well we live in America everything is just groovey bit. I've been all over the world, and I'm sorry there are tons of other places if I had the resources, based on the life that I want to live I would move in a heartbeat.

I can do without hearing about Paris Hilton has managed to get her self arrested for the millionth time due to driving on the wrong side of the highway. Yet her new movie which will be out in a week cost 15million dollars to make.

This is the media, and one of the stupidest things about the US. When Anna Nicole's death had more publicity than all of our soldiers who died.
I can do without seeing American Idol on primetime tv, the news in the morning and in syndication on the weekends.

I can do without another reality show of someone who may or may not was famous, is famous, or is trying to make a comeback showing us how an "average" day in their life is. Because it's oh so hard when you have money and camera crews following you around and you really need to make that important decision that will be revealed on the next episode.

I can deal without hearing why OJ got arrested again or why Dennys refused to serve him because they just felt like it. I could deal without hearing about the father that got so hopped up on drugs, that he decided to come home and beat his infant to death. I can deal without hearing about another kid being killed by a kid, no matter what the circumstances were (gangs, crazy, fed-up with bullying, etc.)

You can do without hearing about tragedies like kids killing kids or a deadbeat murderer dad? I get everything else but this is just stupid.
Now don't get me wrong. I'm American and I love my country. But there needs to come a time where we stop all this "Oh we're American!" so by default our thought process is 1. it could be worse we could live in a third world country or something or 2. it'll get better eventually.

Look towards our history. This presidential regime has been a joke since it's inception (Florida recount anyone). I'm sorry but as an American we're a better nation than that. Our fore-fathers are probably turning in their graves with disgust. I mean there was a time (and some cicles there still is), where if you said anything disparging about anything this administration has done or is doing they called you "un-amercan"?

Gore and the Democrats called for a recount to see if he won or not, but I guess it was Dubya again right! Why are they turning in their graves? They did far worse things than not dealing with universal health care. I for one am turning at the fact that our American forefathers were slave holders and indian murderers.
Excuse me? I thought our country was founded on the principles of revolution and that that we weren't just going to accept what we should be told to accept?

Who said we are accepting anything? The next presidential race should show that we are fed up.

So why would going against the herd or having your own thoughts or feelings about something be "Un-American"

Sorry for the long post, but after reading the TC, I got a bit worked up.


 



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I'm going to write a strange analogy, but I think it gets my point across. For some of the issues anyways.

Let's say a guy comes to your house every day and gives you a bag of candy. It's very good candy and you're happy to have it. However, every day you hear that the same guy goes to other people's houses and shits on their porches. These people also know you're friends with the guy, so they make generalizations about you because of this. Now, you may very well be thankful for all the candy he's been giving you, but you can also be pissed that he keeps shitting on people's porches and tarnishing your reputation.

Also, something about personal rights and tanking economies. :P

I didn't read through the entire thread, so forgive me if I missed something that was already went over.



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ChichiriMuyo said:
Yeah, somebody named elprincipe doesn't know the true face of poverty in America. Poverty is not being able to afford a second flat screen tv? Are you trying to be funny and make a cruel joke, or are you that far removed from reality? There are people that can't afford to feed their kids properly AFTER the free government handouts.

If you're serious, well, all I can say is that I hope you get a first-hand experience of what it's like to live as someone in poverty in the US. Sure, you'll be better off than the poor in some other parts of the world, and you can keep telling yourself that to keep yourself going.

I know plenty about living in poverty in this country.  Of course, you assume since I have a certain opinion that I don't know the facts.  Of course, you are wrong.  I've helped plenty of people living in roach-infested run-down apartments with 15 people and 1-2 bedrooms.  So go ahead, keep criticizing something you don't understand.



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BenKenobi88 said:
I'm just gonna ignore this thread...anytime America is mentioned, it just turns into an American bash-fest all day. Because yes, we're all the same and think alike, and our country defines us...so it's all good.

Do you think there might be a reason for that? If you think you are different from the Americans everyone dislikes, aren't you angry?


You've got no right to judge people you've never met...don't tell me who I am. Have you even been to America? It's always fine and dandy to bash American people without considering that 300 million people are not hive minded, and are decent people. I don't go bashing Polish people for being stupid.

I don't like the stupid people in this country, but you've apparently never been around a decent community, of which there are probably more than you realize. We don't all get drunk, watch Nascar, and beat our wives.

Sure I'm angry about the stupid choices our government has made...that was before I could vote, and literally could not do anything about it.  I'm more angry at people who make assumptions about a mass of people...it's called discrimination and it's bullshit. 



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kvh22000 said:
I read this article the other day. Good article.

Also, some people here need a history lesson. G.W. is probably not even in the top 5 or should i say bottom 5 as far as worst presidents go.

Do not forget a president can only do what the house and senate allow him to do.

Nah he's not. Bottom ten though.

 

Andrew Pierce, James Buchanan, Warren G Harding, Franklyn Pierce, Millar Fillmore.

 

All worse. He'll likely be seen ahead of John Tyler too... who was a mediocre president. Not one of the worst ever, but is seen that way because after he was done being president he joined the confederate congress.

The same with Andrew Johnson, his presidency sucked and hurt the country, but he was in a no win situation.  They had a reasonable plan in place, but after Abe's assassanation the north wanted blood.  The previous solution wouldn't work anymore. If they switched places, Andrew Johnson would of handled this current presidency much better then Bush would of handled reconstruction.

So. He'll likely be seen as the 8th worst president of all time. So he'll be around 34. Though initially I bet he will be lower then that and really close to the worst president of all time. It'll take some time away from his screw ups before it's decided he was just a negative to the country and not a major negative like the very worst presidents.

Personally i think he should be 36 or so. The next president probably will end up pretty low on the list as well since Bush has left a lot of "no-win" decisions for the next guy, and a recession that will probably last a while.

For some precedent for this. George Bush Senior was seen as the 31st greatest president(in other words below william henry in the bad for the country pile) in 1994 before setling somewhere in the 20's.

Either way he's still going to clock in below William Henry Harrison who's most noticeable act was dieing before he could do anything.



MontanaHatchet said:
kingofwale said:
>George W. Bush has been the worst President in US history.

First of all, can you even name all the presidents in US history?

Gosh, i HATE ignorant comments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_U.S.

Bam!

And he's near the top of the list.

I mean, who's worse?

Nixon, Harding?

Maybe!


Nixon was actually a good president. Aside from the paranoid spying. Or atleast seen in the "Didn't hurt the country" category.

Of course to be fair, most of the presidents who will be seen worse then Bush historically all had something to do with not stopping the Civil War.  So while there will be a few ahead of him for worst... it doesn't mean he wasn't that shitty of a president.  Just that his decisions didn't lead to half the country attempting to literally kill the other half.