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Imaginedvl said:

I think so.


You missed my edit.



 

The PS5 Exists. 


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DD_Bwest said:
Stinky said:
GribbleGrunger said:


Well it is possible I suppose, but devs are saying it isn't happening. AMD say it's more powerful and have even done a deal with Sony to build chips around Sony's design, the specs say it's more powerful, Cerny,  the guy who built it says it's more powerful and third party devs have said it's more powerful. I fail to see why this debate is still going on.


I haven't seen that, do you have a source?


it happend at gamescom, they retracted it the next day and said that person had spoke out of line,  it had to do with HUMA,   ill see if i can find a link

http://www.psu.com/a020686/PS4-huMA-architecture--AMD-retracts-statement-will-not-comment-on-PS4-vs-Xbox-One?page=0

sorry its a Sony link, it was just first one i found,  it has the facts of what happend and its easy to ignore the last paragraph saying its a tongue slip lol thats for us to believe ;)

That seems to be a bit of paraphrasing and interpretation. Reading the original article http://www.psu.com/a020650/PS4-has-huMA-Xbox-One-doesnt-3D-performance-way-better-apparently has some interpretation as well.



Stinky said:
DD_Bwest said:
Stinky said:
GribbleGrunger said:


Well it is possible I suppose, but devs are saying it isn't happening. AMD say it's more powerful and have even done a deal with Sony to build chips around Sony's design, the specs say it's more powerful, Cerny,  the guy who built it says it's more powerful and third party devs have said it's more powerful. I fail to see why this debate is still going on.


I haven't seen that, do you have a source?


it happend at gamescom, they retracted it the next day and said that person had spoke out of line,  it had to do with HUMA,   ill see if i can find a link

http://www.psu.com/a020686/PS4-huMA-architecture--AMD-retracts-statement-will-not-comment-on-PS4-vs-Xbox-One?page=0

sorry its a Sony link, it was just first one i found,  it has the facts of what happend and its easy to ignore the last paragraph saying its a tongue slip lol thats for us to believe ;)

That seems to be a bit of paraphrasing and interpretation. Reading the original article http://www.psu.com/a020650/PS4-has-huMA-Xbox-One-doesnt-3D-performance-way-better-apparently has some interpretation as well.


I believe the original source from where it started was a german article, so with translation im not surprised if alot of paraphrasing and enterpretation has happend.   with the debate of huMA  still going on its hard to really bring that into this arguement.  I think MS has something like it, they just call it something else.

Just wanted to provide that link :)



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DD_Bwest said:

I believe the original source from where it started was a german article, so with translation im not surprised if alot of paraphrasing and enterpretation has happend.   with the debate of huMA  still going on its hard to really bring that into this arguement.  I think MS has something like it, they just call it something else.

Just wanted to provide that link :)


Sure thanks, but it still seems to be putting words into AMD's mouth. For instance: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/xbox-one-processor-jaguar-apu-huma,24035.html

Anyway getting back on thread, I believe the point being made by these MS folks is to counteract the outlandish claims of some arbitrary number: such as 50% more CU translates into 50% more powerful and so forth. I see this one bandied around a lot, and while it's clear that the PS4 has some good numbers, the actual performance difference will not be as big as it's made out to be.



Euphoria14 said:
Wow, this is really getting under their skin huh?


apperantly. and the thing is sony isnt even saying anything. its people on forums who are just talking and MS is going bat shit nutts about it. maybe they thought people would buy into "power of the cloud" nonesense but when they didnt and they were mocked about it MS got in a defense position. honestly the best thing they need to do is just shut up about the whole subject 



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Imaginedvl said:
NinjaHanzo said:
DJEVOLVE said:
 

However ever single post, it's like some sony fans can't read or comprehend.

 

I'm not a Sony Fan, I'm a reality and truth fan.

And the reality says Ps4 is more powerful, even Microsoft is spending the days trying to hide that gap with smoke bombs, that dosn't gonna change...

Enjoy your console.

lol "okay" :) Really that statement and a quick look at your post history is already destroying all your credibility!
Also I'm not sure if you actually read the artile (my guess is not) but this guy never compared the PS4 to the Xbox One...
Do you feel insecure to the point of having to convince yourself or us that the PS4 is more powerful?

Yeah, i feel so insecure.


Specially when i read things like this:

 


Yeah, i gonna trust in Microsoft words.



Stinky said:
DD_Bwest said:

I believe the original source from where it started was a german article, so with translation im not surprised if alot of paraphrasing and enterpretation has happend.   with the debate of huMA  still going on its hard to really bring that into this arguement.  I think MS has something like it, they just call it something else.

Just wanted to provide that link :)


Sure thanks, but it still seems to be putting words into AMD's mouth. For instance: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/xbox-one-processor-jaguar-apu-huma,24035.html

Anyway getting back on thread, I believe the point being made by these MS folks is to counteract the outlandish claims of some arbitrary number: such as 50% more CU translates into 50% more powerful and so forth. I see this one bandied around a lot, and while it's clear that the PS4 has some good numbers, the actual performance difference will not be as big as it's made out to be.


Thanx i hadn't seen that where is specifically says huMA,  just the reddit guy talking about something similar but was confused by the term huMA. I guess debate closed, im out of the loop.

50% more power is so hard to define as well..  i highly doubt we will see FPS differences of 15-20.   but what if the PS4 can do a much better picture, how do you define how nice something looks and then give it a numerical value compared to something else.   we are never going to know an exact number lol which means this bickering wont end! MWUAHAHAHA



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"Hes the clown that makes the dark side fun.. Torgo!"

Ha.. i won my bet, but i wasnt around to gloat because im on a better forum!  See ya guys on Viz

DD_Bwest said:

Thanx i hadn't seen that where is specifically says huMA,  just the reddit guy talking about something similar but was confused by the term huMA. I guess debate closed, im out of the loop.

50% more power is so hard to define as well..  i highly doubt we will see FPS differences of 15-20.   but what if the PS4 can do a much better picture, how do you define how nice something looks and then give it a numerical value compared to something else.   we are never going to know an exact number lol which means this bickering wont end! MWUAHAHAHA


FWIW I forsee the ongoing difference will be along the lines of the current gen, requiring digital foundry/lens of truth A/B static comparisons and nitpicks to see any real difference. Exclusives will continue to be programmed to the strengths of the hardware but even then it appears the differences aren't so big.



Stinky said:
DD_Bwest said:

Thanx i hadn't seen that where is specifically says huMA,  just the reddit guy talking about something similar but was confused by the term huMA. I guess debate closed, im out of the loop.

50% more power is so hard to define as well..  i highly doubt we will see FPS differences of 15-20.   but what if the PS4 can do a much better picture, how do you define how nice something looks and then give it a numerical value compared to something else.   we are never going to know an exact number lol which means this bickering wont end! MWUAHAHAHA


FWIW I forsee the ongoing difference will be along the lines of the current gen, requiring digital foundry/lens of truth A/B static comparisons and nitpicks to see any real difference. Exclusives will continue to be programmed to the strengths of the hardware but even then it appears the differences aren't so big.


I think some of the Hardcore crowd, and those with perfect 20/20 will be able to spot multiplat differences, otherwise they will be very close.  But i disagree on exclusives, i think that is where sony will really shine. the developers are the drivers of this race, and i think sony has that edge.  I am all for microsoft to prove me wrong though, it just makes sony try that much harder for us :) but again, how do we say an exclusive shows 50% more power lol

 



I am Torgo, I take care of the place while the master is away.

"Hes the clown that makes the dark side fun.. Torgo!"

Ha.. i won my bet, but i wasnt around to gloat because im on a better forum!  See ya guys on Viz

youarebadatgames said:
Subie_Greg said:
He's right it's not a Mustang vs M3

It is a 5oo whp Mustang GT vs a 460 whp Mustang GT. And the 5oo whp Mustang happens to cost a little less $$$. And teh cloud won't help the 460 whp Mustang go any faster just like it won't help the Xbox One games look or run better : )

We (gamers) don't have to know shit. We just have to listen to the guys who know the shit. And there isn't anyone, even Microsoft who will say flat out that the Xbox One is more powerful than the Ps4. Most 3rd party devs say the Ps4 is more powerful but not by much. Problem is Ps4 cost less than Xbox One

And also hypocrite lol, because forza dev doesn't know shit about Ps4 yet


No, its more like a 500 hp mustang gt vs a 450 hp corvette. Sure the mustang will win in a straight line, but put it on a track with bends and it loses.

Pc gamers know it's never as simple as just numbers, which is why no one gives a shit except console fanboys. The only metric that matters in the end is frames per second between the two with comparable image quality. Wait till the games and the benchmarks come out then we'll have something to talk about.


I hate to be that guy, but a 450hp Corvette will be at 500hp mustang in a straight line and around the track. The extra 50hp doesn't make up for the additional weight.