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Shinobi-san said:
JayWood2010 said:
Shinobi-san said:


And I disagree so that makes your opinion fact as I said before?

I dont know why you are trying to convince me otherwise.  I disagree, simple as that.  You disagree with me and that is perfectly fine.  Now please move on instead of stating you are the only one right here.

 

What part do you disagree with? Break it down man explain yourself! Im not here to bash on you , just to dicuss and debate. No need to get upset

If you came in here just to post an opinion an leave then thats fine...but if you gonna stick around and reply then why not actually address the points im raising instead of deflecting and avoiding.

Why is it so hard to start a debate around here without people flipping out?


Im not flipping out.  Im saying I respect your opinion and you should do the same without throwing out acquisations such as "Because Mcrosoft is on the recieving end".

The part I disagree with is that I see it as a bad thing for companies to use trolling competitors mistakes as their main focus on selling something instead of letting their products do the talking for them.  You think otherwise and that is fine, i respect your opinion on the matter.  



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JayWood2010 said:
Shinobi-san said:
JayWood2010 said:
Shinobi-san said:
JayWood2010 said:


I have said it multiple times throughout this thread actually.  You are more than welcome to read through what I have already said.  Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean i should repeat myself multiple times.


You really havent given a good reason. Ive explained in my post why. But you seem to have ignored it. Oh well.


Oh so opinion makes fact now?  Well then that changes everything.....

No.

I've read your posts in this thread. You do not give an explanation as to why the comments Andrew House made were unprofessional and childish. None. You simply said it was. I've asked you now what exactly about the comment was unprofessional/childish and you cant give a reply. I've given an explanation for my opinion. It doesnt make it right, but atleast im trying to back up my opinion. But ive been asking you to explain yours. And you havent.

-_-  Ok so I guess I will repeat myself.

So would it have been professional if MSFT said "Hey buy XBL, we don't allow 80m accounts get hacked?"

No that is out of poor taste and no comment should be made like that.  They let XBL do the talking for them in this case.  

Sony has made mistakes in the past and it is not respectful of a company (Even a competitor) to act like arragont jerks about those mistakes.  They should let their products talk for them.

I dont know why you are trying to convince me otherwise.  You disagree and that is fine but you arent going to convince me that this was professional.

completely different situations.  Sony didn't hack their own network or try to (also no credit info was stolen and that whole thing was overblown) but MS DID try to screw over their own consumers by their own choice.  They pushed things that people had voiced aggresively against.  Also an entire show talking about your product and nothing else for an hour and a half with one little 10 second jab at the competition isn't letting your product speak for itself?  Don't act like Sony can't sell on their own merits they have over a million preorders.




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People complain that sony listen and microsoft dont. Well microsoft did listen. But sony hasnt listened me and put in the non gaming functions I want. So does that make sony the bad guy now? Because I wont buy ps4 without those othef changes?



JayWood2010 said:
Shinobi-san said:

 

What part do you disagree with? Break it down man explain yourself! Im not here to bash on you , just to dicuss and debate. No need to get upset

If you came in here just to post an opinion an leave then thats fine...but if you gonna stick around and reply then why not actually address the points im raising instead of deflecting and avoiding.

Why is it so hard to start a debate around here without people flipping out?


Im not flipping out.  Im saying I respect your opinion and you should do the same without throwing out acquisations such as "Because Mcrosoft is on the recieving end".

The part I disagree with is that I see it as a bad thing for companies to use trolling competitors mistakes as their main focus on selling something instead of letting their products do the talking for them.  You think otherwise and that is fine, i respect your opinion on the matter.  

I didnt say anything about trolling competitors mistakes being okay.

But anyways you dont seem to be any good at this or interested so il leave you be.



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Shinobi-san said:

It's not arrogance.

Sony is saying they are better and giving reasons why. They want people to buy a PS4 instead of the Xbone. They are giving people a reason why to go with Sony. Its a legit thing to say at a public conference. Where gamers are the audience.

I really fail to see how this is arrogance. They are promoting the good decisions they made this year and outright saying they did better than the competition. I cant see why anyone would criticise this unless you have some sort of bias. It would be stupid of Sony to not use this, especially given the decisions they've made this year.

Also the fact that you distinguish between Xbox fanboys and Sony fanboys calling one side worse pretty much says it all. And you still havent really given a proper reason why what they said at gamescom is unprofessional or childish.

In case you missed what exactly Andrew House said:

"while others have shifted their message and changed their story, we were consistant in mainiting policies and a model that are in tune with consumers desires"

Please tell me how that is unprofessional and childish? It wasnt rude, it wasnt a lie, they wernt making unnecessary fun of MS etc.

That's seriously the "dig" that Sony took at Microsoft.......I think this is being blown out of proportion.



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They didn't listen to gamers or fans. They knew full well the online BS wasn't what people wanted long before the reveal, the only thing they listened to was pre-order numbers.



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Shinobi-san said:

I didnt say anything about trolling competitors mistakes being okay.

But anyways you dont seem to be any good at this or interested so il leave you be.


 You have a hard time figuring out that everybody has opinions and that I'd prefer to not argue for pages about an opinion that you will not change. "You dont seem to be any good at this" was not needed.  

Opinions = facts. here is your argument or debate



He's a 100% right, I never understood "dur hur! They're listening to their customers! How desperate" line of thinking. I wish Nintendo was more like that.



JayWood2010 said:
Shinobi-san said:

I didnt say anything about trolling competitors mistakes being okay.

But anyways you dont seem to be any good at this or interested so il leave you be.


 You have a hard time figuring out that everybody has opinions and that I'd prefer to not argue for pages about an opinion that you will not change"You dont seem to be any good at this" was not needed.  

Opinions = facts here you go


I said nothing about trolling being a good thing. You are distorting what i was saying.

When i said you are not good at this, i didnt mean that as an insult. You genuinely dont seem to understand how a debate goes. Yet here you are in a thread arguing without actually saying anything. You just keep repeating "your opion does not equal fact" Not once have i said my opinion equals fact. Ive just pointed out that your opinions and explanations are flawed. And make no mistake your opinion can and will be wrong many times. Dont believe the hype about opinions being safe from criticism. Yet you have not addressed any of the points i raised, you havent even tried.

Heres a suggestion when you get into a situation like this again. If you saying a statement is childish and unprofessional how about actually referencing what was said? Breaking down the words if you must and explain what about the statement was unprofessional or childish. Perhaps refer to the meaning of unprofessional or childish if you must. If you do that, in this case, and actual take some time to think about it you might find new opinions that can actually be logically explained. This is why i called you bias. Because you fail to back up your opinion with logic.

You should have learnt this in english comprehension classes or something.

Also, you asked me to leave you alone, then when i do...you just keep replying. I dont understand that kind of behaviour.



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GameOver22 said:
Shinobi-san said:

It's not arrogance.

Sony is saying they are better and giving reasons why. They want people to buy a PS4 instead of the Xbone. They are giving people a reason why to go with Sony. Its a legit thing to say at a public conference. Where gamers are the audience.

I really fail to see how this is arrogance. They are promoting the good decisions they made this year and outright saying they did better than the competition. I cant see why anyone would criticise this unless you have some sort of bias. It would be stupid of Sony to not use this, especially given the decisions they've made this year.

Also the fact that you distinguish between Xbox fanboys and Sony fanboys calling one side worse pretty much says it all. And you still havent really given a proper reason why what they said at gamescom is unprofessional or childish.

In case you missed what exactly Andrew House said:

"while others have shifted their message and changed their story, we were consistant in mainiting policies and a model that are in tune with consumers desires"

Please tell me how that is unprofessional and childish? It wasnt rude, it wasnt a lie, they wernt making unnecessary fun of MS etc.

That's seriously the "dig" that Sony took at Microsoft.......I think this is being blown out of proportion.


Yeah thats the "dig"....which everybody seems to be ignoring. Very unprofessional and childish!



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