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Kresnik said:

I agree with him in the sense that it's better that MS have listened to what consumers want and I totally respect that. It's very much the right thing to do.

The problem I have with it is - how did they come up with this console which consumers had to make so much noise about changing in the first place? It makes all this talk about "two-way conversations" seem like it's something they've just implemented. We're listening to you now (but, we weren't going to listen to you when we started).

Still, as long as they get to the right place in the end then that's all that matters.

edit: As a side note, all this ribbing between rival companies in this sector seems so tame these days.  I definitely like it better but it's not half as entertaining.

I think Microsoft wanted to do something extremely technology progressive.  Plan wise, I think it was.  Possibly a little too progressive for some.  In terms of digital gaming, I think Microsoft felt it's proposal was a good start and that it could tweak things with consumer input after launch.  Instead, it'll likely hammer out the technology parts and pieces necessary to make the technology work and make it more acceptable. 

I don't think Microsoft anticipated that it'd need to be rolling out everything so soon.  I think they anticipated they'd have an extra year before they would have been at this point where they could have polled gamers and developers about their plans.  However, there was no way that Microsoft was going to be caught off guard, so they changed their time-table. 

Sony on the other hand is depending on the success of the PS4.  Sony needs the PS4 to succeed to stay in business.  I'll concede it may not be as dire as I make it out to be.  There are plenty of parts of Sony that can be sold off, but to continue as it is today it needs to consistently turn a profit.  It can't do that if the PS4 does badly.

Microsoft success isn't squarely dependent upon the Xbox One being #1.  It's probably got #2 locked up, if it does strongly as a #2 or even expands it's market share in markets it did poorly in in Gen7, I think Microsoft will say it's a good thing.



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Shinobi-san said:
JayWood2010 said:
Shinobi-san said:
JayWood2010 said:


I have said it multiple times throughout this thread actually.  You are more than welcome to read through what I have already said.  Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean i should repeat myself multiple times.


You really havent given a good reason. Ive explained in my post why. But you seem to have ignored it. Oh well.


Oh so opinion makes fact now?  Well then that changes everything.....

No.

I've read your posts in this thread. You do not give an explanation as to why the comments Andrew House made were unprofessional and childish. None. You simply said it was. I've asked you now what exactly about the comment was unprofessional/childish and you cant give a reply. I've given an explanation for my opinion. It doesnt make it right, but atleast im trying to back up my opinion. But ive been asking you to explain yours. And you havent.

-_-  Ok so I guess I will repeat myself.

So would it have been professional if MSFT said "Hey buy XBL, we don't allow 80m accounts get hacked?"

No that is out of poor taste and no comment should be made like that.  They let XBL do the talking for them in this case.  

Sony has made mistakes in the past and it is not respectful of a company (Even a competitor) to act like arragont jerks about those mistakes.  They should let their products talk for them.

I dont know why you are trying to convince me otherwise.  You disagree and that is fine but you arent going to convince me that this was professional.




       

In this case, Microsoft had no choice but to change. Xbox one wouldn't of lasted very long otherwise.



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JayWood2010 said:
Shinobi-san said:

No.

I've read your posts in this thread. You do not give an explanation as to why the comments Andrew House made were unprofessional and childish. None. You simply said it was. I've asked you now what exactly about the comment was unprofessional/childish and you cant give a reply. I've given an explanation for my opinion. It doesnt make it right, but atleast im trying to back up my opinion. But ive been asking you to explain yours. And you havent.

-_-  Ok so I guess I will repeat myself.

So would it have been professional if MSFT said "Hey buy XBL, we don't allow 80m accounts get hacked?"

No that is out of poor taste and no comment should be made like that.  They let XBL do the talking for them in this case.  

Sony has made mistakes in the past and it is not respectful of a company (Even a competitor) to act like arragont jerks about those mistakes.  They should let their products talk for them.

I think i addressed this already in a previous post.

Pointing out competitor flaws and highlighting your strengths is a good thing. Surely this isnt opinion? And companies should be doing it. They do it all the time. Its not arrogant to do so. Its not disrespectful. Its not being a jerk. Its selling your product. Can we agree on that?

The way in which you go about doing this can be childish and at worse unprofessional. But again, refering to Andrew House's exact statements, their was nothing unprofessional and childish about it. He stated that Xbone has been chopping and changing their policies and direction and Sony has not. This is a factual statement.

Its a genuine point to be making to consumers who are going to be buying one of the consoles. Especially when it comes to changing of policies, as this becomes an issue of consumer trust. Sony has gained consumer trust over this year and MS has lost consumer trust. This wasnt a cheap jab. It was an actual thing that happend, and Sony addressed it better.



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Shinobi-san said:
JayWood2010 said:

I think i addressed this already in a previous post.

Pointing out competitor flaws and highlighting your strengths is a good thing. Surely this isnt opinion? And companies should be doing it. They do it all the time. Its not arrogant to do so. Its not disrespectful. Its not being a jerk. Its selling your product. Can we agree on that?

The way in which you go about doing this can be childish and at worse unprofessional. But again, refering to Andrew House's exact statements, their was nothing unprofessional and childish about it. He stated that Xbone has been chopping and changing their policies and direction and Sony has not. This is a factual statement.

Its a genuine point to be making to consumers who are going to be buying one of the consoles. Especially when it comes to changing of policies, as this becomes an issue of consumer trust. Sony has gained consumer trust over this year and MS has lost consumer trust. This wasnt a cheap jab. It was an actual thing that happend, and Sony addressed it better.


And I disagree so that makes your opinion fact as I said before?

I dont know why you are trying to convince me otherwise.  I disagree, simple as that.  You disagree with me and that is perfectly fine.  Now please move on instead of stating you are the only one that could possibly be right here.




       

Euphoria14 said:

This begs the question then...

If they have a two-way conversation going on with the community then how did they end up making a console that was anything but what the community wanted?

That only happens when you don't listen.


& this begs the question 

 

How many gamers knew about the total system to have a two way conversation?



JayWood2010 said:
Shinobi-san said:
JayWood2010 said:

I think i addressed this already in a previous post.

Pointing out competitor flaws and highlighting your strengths is a good thing. Surely this isnt opinion? And companies should be doing it. They do it all the time. Its not arrogant to do so. Its not disrespectful. Its not being a jerk. Its selling your product. Can we agree on that?

The way in which you go about doing this can be childish and at worse unprofessional. But again, refering to Andrew House's exact statements, their was nothing unprofessional and childish about it. He stated that Xbone has been chopping and changing their policies and direction and Sony has not. This is a factual statement.

Its a genuine point to be making to consumers who are going to be buying one of the consoles. Especially when it comes to changing of policies, as this becomes an issue of consumer trust. Sony has gained consumer trust over this year and MS has lost consumer trust. This wasnt a cheap jab. It was an actual thing that happend, and Sony addressed it better.


And I disagree so that makes your opinion fact as I said before?

I dont know why you are trying to convince me otherwise.  I disagree, simple as that.  You disagree with me and that is perfectly fine.  Now please move on instead of stating you are the only one right here.

 

What part do you disagree with? Break it down man explain yourself! Im not here to bash on you , just to dicuss and debate. No need to get upset

If you came in here just to post an opinion an leave then thats fine...but if you gonna stick around and reply then why not actually address the points im raising instead of deflecting and avoiding.

Why is it so hard to start a debate around here without people flipping out?



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Shinobi-san said:
JayWood2010 said:
Shinobi-san said:


And I disagree so that makes your opinion fact as I said before?

I dont know why you are trying to convince me otherwise.  I disagree, simple as that.  You disagree with me and that is perfectly fine.  Now please move on instead of stating you are the only one right here.

 

What part do you disagree with? Break it down man explain yourself! Im not here to bash on you , just to dicuss and debate. No need to get upset

If you came in here just to post an opinion an leave then thats fine...but if you gonna stick around and reply then why not actually address the points im raising instead of deflecting and avoiding.

Why is it so hard to start a debate around here without people flipping out?


Im not flipping out.  Im saying I respect your opinion and you should do the same without throwing out acquisations such as "Because Mcrosoft is on the recieving end".

The part I disagree with is that I see it as a bad thing for companies to use trolling competitors mistakes as their main focus on selling something instead of letting their products do the talking for them.  You think otherwise and that is fine, i respect your opinion on the matter.  




       

JayWood2010 said:
Shinobi-san said:
JayWood2010 said:
Shinobi-san said:
JayWood2010 said:


I have said it multiple times throughout this thread actually.  You are more than welcome to read through what I have already said.  Just because you don't agree with me doesn't mean i should repeat myself multiple times.


You really havent given a good reason. Ive explained in my post why. But you seem to have ignored it. Oh well.


Oh so opinion makes fact now?  Well then that changes everything.....

No.

I've read your posts in this thread. You do not give an explanation as to why the comments Andrew House made were unprofessional and childish. None. You simply said it was. I've asked you now what exactly about the comment was unprofessional/childish and you cant give a reply. I've given an explanation for my opinion. It doesnt make it right, but atleast im trying to back up my opinion. But ive been asking you to explain yours. And you havent.

-_-  Ok so I guess I will repeat myself.

So would it have been professional if MSFT said "Hey buy XBL, we don't allow 80m accounts get hacked?"

No that is out of poor taste and no comment should be made like that.  They let XBL do the talking for them in this case.  

Sony has made mistakes in the past and it is not respectful of a company (Even a competitor) to act like arragont jerks about those mistakes.  They should let their products talk for them.

I dont know why you are trying to convince me otherwise.  You disagree and that is fine but you arent going to convince me that this was professional.

completely different situations.  Sony didn't hack their own network or try to (also no credit info was stolen and that whole thing was overblown) but MS DID try to screw over their own consumers by their own choice.  They pushed things that people had voiced aggresively against.  Also an entire show talking about your product and nothing else for an hour and a half with one little 10 second jab at the competition isn't letting your product speak for itself?  Don't act like Sony can't sell on their own merits they have over a million preorders.




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