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Should there be compulsory voting in your country?

Yes 13 20.97%
 
No 43 69.35%
 
Who cares/See results 5 8.06%
 
Total:61
fordy said:
Cobretti2 said:

In Australia everyone has to vote and no we do not get blind votes all other the place.

What we do get is however morons thinking that they are voting for the prime minister of this country and not the local person in their electoral area. So it kind of becomes a popularity contest rather than about policies.

There is also a divide in general where blue collar workers vote for Labor and White collar workers vote for Liberals. Then you got the voters who are so pissed of with both parties they vote for the Greens without even reading their OUTRAGEOUS policies. In a nutshell the greens are a hindrance to development as they love trees. Tasmania (at a state level government) is a good place of this when Greens get too many seats they stop development projects and cripple the state.

Finally this country seems to think that fuck this guy has been too long in the job lets vote for the other party kind of thing. By all means vote for the other party if the current one has not delivered on their promises but don't just change your vote for the sake of wanting fresh faces. If they doing a great job you should be voting them back in.

 

We also have peference votes. So the person who actualy gets the most votes may not win their seat as the second person gets the votes from the third person because of preferences.  SO ANNOYING. 

 

That's a big problem here. People will throw away an average government only to find that they voted in a worse government. There areally needs to be some kind of public information session as to what is decreed as tolerable governance.

Preference votes work in that way because that's what they're designed to do. I actually prefer this way to the Americas, where third party candidates don't stand a chance, because of the fear of "throwing your vote away" by voting for them. Of course, preferential leads to buddy-buddy backdoor deals where parties lobby each other for higher rankings in their "how to vote" cards. Once again, if people voted in the preferentials in the way that their opinions deictated, it would be a lot better (funny enough the idiot liberals put the Greens ahead of Labor in the seat of Melbourne, and they won through preferences. Liberal really should have considered that the Greens are more distant to them than Labor in a political ideology standpoint, and not thought "well they don't stand a chance of winning, so let's put them ahead of Labor in our how to vote cards")


You are right about public information sessions because what happens is you get those annoying people at the poll booths that give you HOW to vote cards, but obviously those are done in a way that the preferences will favour that person.

People need to be taught that if you actually spend time putting in the 1 to 6 or whatever it is in your area, instead of voting on the top row  the quick way (because you want to save 1minute of your life) then the preference go where you want them not the default party. 



 

 

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Cobretti2 said:
fordy said:
Cobretti2 said:

In Australia everyone has to vote and no we do not get blind votes all other the place.

What we do get is however morons thinking that they are voting for the prime minister of this country and not the local person in their electoral area. So it kind of becomes a popularity contest rather than about policies.

There is also a divide in general where blue collar workers vote for Labor and White collar workers vote for Liberals. Then you got the voters who are so pissed of with both parties they vote for the Greens without even reading their OUTRAGEOUS policies. In a nutshell the greens are a hindrance to development as they love trees. Tasmania (at a state level government) is a good place of this when Greens get too many seats they stop development projects and cripple the state.

Finally this country seems to think that fuck this guy has been too long in the job lets vote for the other party kind of thing. By all means vote for the other party if the current one has not delivered on their promises but don't just change your vote for the sake of wanting fresh faces. If they doing a great job you should be voting them back in.

 

We also have peference votes. So the person who actualy gets the most votes may not win their seat as the second person gets the votes from the third person because of preferences.  SO ANNOYING. 

 

That's a big problem here. People will throw away an average government only to find that they voted in a worse government. There areally needs to be some kind of public information session as to what is decreed as tolerable governance.

Preference votes work in that way because that's what they're designed to do. I actually prefer this way to the Americas, where third party candidates don't stand a chance, because of the fear of "throwing your vote away" by voting for them. Of course, preferential leads to buddy-buddy backdoor deals where parties lobby each other for higher rankings in their "how to vote" cards. Once again, if people voted in the preferentials in the way that their opinions deictated, it would be a lot better (funny enough the idiot liberals put the Greens ahead of Labor in the seat of Melbourne, and they won through preferences. Liberal really should have considered that the Greens are more distant to them than Labor in a political ideology standpoint, and not thought "well they don't stand a chance of winning, so let's put them ahead of Labor in our how to vote cards")


You are right about public information sessions because what happens is you get those annoying people at the poll booths that give you HOW to vote cards, but obviously those are done in a way that the preferences will favour that person.

People need to be taught that if you actually spend time putting in the 1 to 6 or whatever it is in your area, instead of voting on the top row  the quick way (because you want to save 1minute of your life) then the preference go where you want them not the default party. 


I swear that the major parties deliberately rig the senate voting in subtle ways to give the smaller parties no chance of winning.

For instance, ever wonder why the voting booths are about 0.6m wide, and the senate ballot paper is about 1m wide? People just frustratingly use the top row just to get out of wrestling with all of that paper in such a small voting booth...



fordy said:
Marks said:

 

 

You forgot decreased voter fraud. If voting was compulsory, then it would be expected that everyone vote once and only once. 


Good point. I should look into how much voter fraud happens. 



Con.

On top of this, how would you implement this without some kind of increase in identification requirements.

The last thing needed, is another excuse for "papers, please"



No. Absolutely not. For many, many reasons that I don't feel like going into as this post would take fifteen minutes to write. I will make one point, however, which is that the right not to vote is just as important as the right to vote.

If for no other reason than the people being forced to vote will likely have no idea who/what they're voting for, so they would vote with popular opinion or from a place of deep ignorance, which is worse than not voting at all.



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I refuse to even vote on this poll. That is what I think of your sham democracy, vgchartz.



Even if voting was compulsory, most people won't bother to look into the candidates. They just pick a brand and stick with it. Election reform to change the electoral system to AMS would be better. No more FPTP/ Electoral College!



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I came here to say "yes" but then I didn't feel like voting in the poll and then I reached nirvana.



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kowenicki said:
Absolutely not. Aside from having to choose between options voters may not like, there is also the issue that very many people are too ignorant or stupid to know what they are voting for.

Now if you were to propose some kind of test to establish if someone is fit to vote... then I'd be interested.

Fair enough that you might not know the specifics of American history that well, but such a concept would be unthinkable here for historical (Jim Crow) reasons.

Edit: as an addendum, i think the best thing would be (and it would have to be an amendment, i guess) to change the voting day to be A: a Monday and B: a national holiday, where even essential employed persons (emergency services, old age caregivers, etc) are given a 4-hour window during voting hours in which to vote.



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Marks said:
fordy said:
Marks said:

 

 

You forgot decreased voter fraud. If voting was compulsory, then it would be expected that everyone vote once and only once. 


Good point. I should look into how much voter fraud happens. 


You won't find any info on it.

The government really doesn't prosecute voter fraud becasuse your spenindg tens of thousands of dollars to prosecute one person, and that's assuming you can even bother to track the damn person down.... which in itself is going to be expensive as hell.

It's something rarely if every looked into beyond that.  Usually using the low to nonexistent conviction numbers as a sign that it's not happening.

Though there are a few things that seemed to show a LOT of illegal immigrants were voting... because somehow they were able to get on jury duty, and registered to vote through that... or vice versa, because apparently nobody bothers to check anything when you register to vote.

 

So... it's an easy to commit crime, that nobody pays attention to, that may or may not be a problem simply due to the fact that it's kind of a pain anyway and it would just make more sense to aim higher up on the chain/discourage voters.

 

It's why voter registration laws are literally the only thing that makes sense.  Everything else ranges from "who the hell knows!" to "insanely expensive!"