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nnodley said:
Roar_Of_War said:

The economy is worse than what it was when the PS3 launched at $600. Video game consoles likely can't be more than $300 in this generation, or else it just scares consumers away.

That's very true, but both Europe and Japan are sony's territories (which could change) and they will buy anything sony throws at them no matter the cost it seems. At least that's what it seems like to me.



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Jay520 said:
Chark said:
People are still confused about what console Nintendo has?


More like next gen doesn't start until Sony says so. The PS4's announcement was a simultaneous announcement that next gen is starting. This is good for all next gen consoles, including the Wii U, thus the share rise.


.........Is it odd that I agree with you?  That kinda sorta actually makes sense.  Even though the Wii U is undoubtably next gen, I'm not too convinced that next gen has started.  That will change when the PS4 releases and it might very well boost the Wii U's sales rather than take away from it, interesting.



I hate to shatter any illusions that anyone has, but the investors are actually behaving rationally. Where as supporters of a particular game console brand are unwilling to see that rationality. Sony is a deeply unhealthy company. That has seen substantial losses for five plus year. That has been selling off assets to offset losses on the spreadsheet, and now with the unveiling of the PS4 with its heavy handed specs. Doing nothing to address those problems, but seemingly primed to exacerbate them even further over the coming year.

I do not know if that is what Investors are responding too specifically, or if it is pure happenstance, but if that is the case you really cannot call their intelligence into question. The time for blind faith in Sony's future prospects is only to be found in the past. Not having that kind of faith in Sony is akin to having basic common sense. If the console is going to be sold at a substantial loss. That will mean that a return to consistent profitability could end up being many quarters away. If the console is sold at cost then it might not achieve enough market penetration, and may very well flop.

Which taken into consideration with the Vita adds up to a division without a flagship product to justify its own existence. A division that would only be worth a fraction of its current value. Requiring that Sony either write off the loss, or throw money at the problem. Which is probably the real nightmare of investors. That Sony may end up repeating the incredibly costly PS3 debacle. Where Sony ends up losing billions of dollars just to stay in the game. Which actually might not even be doable for the company.

No matter how it ends up playing out. You shouldn't be hard on people who may be getting their money out to avoid what could be a fairly substantial risk. This isn't a mental exercise, and this isn't necessarily about a game that some day traders are playing. For some people this is their retirement, college fund, or insurance against future disasters.

I know it might sound perverse, but a gamers wet dream. Is probably a nightmare for some investors. They after all have to be looking for something that Sony can make a quick profit from. Even if the company isn't the market leader. Rather then a console that has the potential to be a market leader, but promises substantial short term losses.



I read about this on another site and thought it was unusual.



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Of course it's falling. Unless Sony will sell PS4 at $599 (which is unlikely, base on PS3 history), they will take huge loss for every PS4 sold with that kind of spec.

And as far as I remember, Sony still have financial trouble until now (Don't ask me the link, search Google if you want)



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Well, I am not really sure that the PS4 will be as expensive to produce as PS3 was in 2006. In fact, probably significantly less so.

For starters, the CPU, when PS3 was released, it had specs that were fairly high end and on an expensive to produce cell processor, whereas PS4 has more high-medium end specs compared to PCs today. 8 core 1.6GHz AMD processor is not going to be nearly as expensive as an i7 quad core 3.4GHz processor.

Drives: The PS3 also used blu-ray drives which were new at the time, and expensive to produce. Now the technology is 6 years old and quite a bit less expensive.



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Roar_Of_War said:

It's funny how people think investors are stupid. They're quite smart, actually.

 

They know Sony can't sell the PS4 at a profitable price while also obtaining reasonable market share in the 8th generation. It's either they sell it at a profitable price and get crappy market share, or they sell it at a loss and get higher market share (and who knows if it will even be good market share, even taking a loss. Look at Vita).

Sony might be forced to actually remove features to bring the price of PS4 down. Then people wll be more pissed than ever. They're in a very bad spot, to be quite honest.

 

This exact situation is probably what Nintendo was banking on the entire time with Wii U. I'm sure they didn't believe the market was ready for a true 8th gen console yet without throwing away money to sell the damn thing.

This my friend is almost a fact. Remember when PS3 was suppose to have 2 HDMI out, 2K resolution, Gears of War, etc, etc, etc? well, thing turned out very different at launch. Sony is just being Sony all over again by showing those amazing PS4 specs, but I think they are bluffing - no wonder they couldn't show the actaul console.

Maybe they are trying to get MS to make a move, and if that is there plan, somethings tells me their not going to like MS's answer. 

As for Nintendo, yeah they have a plan, as always, we'll just have to see if fortune smiles upon them once again.



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DaRev said:
Roar_Of_War said:

It's funny how people think investors are stupid. They're quite smart, actually.

 

They know Sony can't sell the PS4 at a profitable price while also obtaining reasonable market share in the 8th generation. It's either they sell it at a profitable price and get crappy market share, or they sell it at a loss and get higher market share (and who knows if it will even be good market share, even taking a loss. Look at Vita).

Sony might be forced to actually remove features to bring the price of PS4 down. Then people wll be more pissed than ever. They're in a very bad spot, to be quite honest.

 

This exact situation is probably what Nintendo was banking on the entire time with Wii U. I'm sure they didn't believe the market was ready for a true 8th gen console yet without throwing away money to sell the damn thing.

This my friend is almost a fact. Remember when PS3 was suppose to have 2 HDMI out, 2K resolution, Gears of War, etc, etc, etc? well, thing turned out very different at launch. Sony is just being Sony all over again by showing those amazing PS4 specs, but I think they are bluffing - no wonder they couldn't show the actaul console.

Maybe they are trying to get MS to make a move, and if that is there plan, somethings tells me their not going to like MS's answer. 

As for Nintendo, yeah they have a plan, as always, we'll just have to see if fortune smiles upon them once again.

Great words



Vinniegambini said:
Sadly, I believe that the PS4 will be Sony's demise if they do not change their business model and marketing strategy.

As seen through the press conference, Sony is focusing on the core gamer, much like the Vita, and it will turn against them. Furthermore, the system will be over 40 000 yen, judging by Japanese reports. Consequently, the system will not be competitively priced for the mass market where Nintendo and Microsoft offerings will be available at a cheaper price. In addition, next-generation games will also be available on the PS3 (Watch Dogs, Destiny, etc) - Sony has failed to convey the message as to why the consumer must jump on the next generation hardware, the PS4, if it offers nothing more than better graphics and social interactions, doing so at a premium price - it needs that 'I have to have it feature' - much like the Kinect and the Wii remote did to their respected consoles.

Nonetheless, it's too early to judge as we only know a small fraction of the bigger picture. Sony needs to bring their 'A' game, and that goes for Nintendo and Microsoft as well for E3. It will be very interesting.

Nintendo shares are up on the fact that the PS4 hardware will be expensive compared to the Wii U thus giving Nintendo the advantage in price point for the consumers.

Main Sony consummer are hardcore gamers it dosn't metter if they doing many casual games or not Casual gamer will going Nintendo and Microsoft. 



PS4 - over 100 millions let's say 120m
Xbox One - 70m
Wii U - 25m

Vita - 15m if it will not get Final Fantasy Kingdoms Heart and Monster Hunter 20m otherwise
3DS - 80m

Carl2291 said:
phenom08 said:


Thats what you saw, what investors saw was PS3 situation once again. Which wasnt good for investors lol. Expensive price tag and none of those games will push hardware lol. What exactly is your proof of better 3rd party support by the way? Destiny? Final Fantasy? The ports? Neither was announced as exclusive and both will probably be on 360/PS3. That wont help PS4 at all lol.

You clearly know nothing. Its nothing at all like the PS3. Its got developer support because its easy to develop for. The PS3 was the exact opposite. Its also not giving the competition, Microsoft, 12-16 Months headstart due to releasing this Year.

There are already over 80 developers making games for it. Some are making multiple games for it. It doesnt matter if theyre exclusive, because thats why Sony invested so much in 1st party development during the last 5 Years. They have a new deal with the biggest publisher on the planet, Activision, and continued good relationships with EA and Ubisoft.

On top of that, theyre also not releasing with a gimped, gimmicky controller. This is a superior upgrade, not a six-axis failure. Oh, and they have a top quality online system with PSN thats getting better as the day goes by... Not like the PSN of 06-07, which was terrible.

I don't remember what year it was, but there was an E3 before the PS3 was launched where they showed PS3 having a shit storm of support from 3rd party developers. What stood out for was that they showed the Gears of War demo for PS3. I mention all that to say this, PS3 ARGUABLY had much much more support before and during launch than the PS4 could ever hope to have. Remember as well, that PS3 was also the sucessor to the best selling console of all time - so Sony's arogance and ultimately support from 3rd parties was extremely high.

Ultimately, that plethera of power Sony showed concerning the PS4 means almost nothing at the end of the day, and investors know this.

By the way, who has the "gimped, gimmicky controller" - surely you are not referring to the WiiU?

Edit: your sig is very distracting



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