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Zappykins said:
TruckOSaurus said:
With all those cancellations, it's a wonder that Will & Grace did so well back in 1998.

Lieutenant Zappykins here, as someone who was out for a long long time before Will and Grace came out, I felt a good part of the show as making fun of gay people.  I know many people liked it, but I didn't think it was funny, more just mean.  I would of actually prefered the show if it was just Will and Grace and if they had killed of Karen and Jack. 

I thought shows like Buffy the Vampire slayer did a much better job of portraying gay people.  In it some people, like Willow, just happen to be gay and it's just an aspect of their character.  Not a carear choice or comedic device.

Currently I think Doctor Who and Torchwood do a nice job.

But, Will and Grace was a comedy. Of course they're gonna make fun of everything, including the gay part. Buffy wasn't a comedy, so making fun of it would be out of place.

South Park and Family Guy make fun of gay gus all the time, but overall they're extremely positive, and even go as far as preaching when it comes to gay rights.

Jack represents something that many gay men want to distance themselves from for whatever reason (probably because camp guys annoy straight guys the most). I thought the show was incredible (my favourite comedy and one of my favourite shows). The showalso gave me the courage to come out for the first time to a friend, so it has a special place in my heart.



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Zappykins said:

 I would of actually prefered if they had killed of Karen




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Zappykins said:
TruckOSaurus said:
With all those cancellations, it's a wonder that Will & Grace did so well back in 1998.

Lieutenant Zappykins here, as someone who was out for a long long time before Will and Grace came out, I felt a good part of the show as making fun of gay people.  I know many people liked it, but I didn't think it was funny, more just mean.  I would of actually prefered the show if it was just Will and Grace and if they had killed of Karen and Jack. 

I thought shows like Buffy the Vampire slayer did a much better job of portraying gay people.  In it some people, like Willow, just happen to be gay and it's just an aspect of their character.  Not a carear choice or comedic device.

Currently I think Doctor Who and Torchwood do a nice job.

The show wouldn't have worked without Jack and Karen. I agree that the show ran mostly on stereotypes but I never got the feeling it made fun of gays. Like naruball said, the show is was a comedy and comedies usually tend to exagerate things in order to get laughs. I did get the sense that as seasons went by they made Will more and more stereotypical but I guess it was due to the writers running out of ideas.



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naruball said:
Zappykins said:
TruckOSaurus said:
With all those cancellations, it's a wonder that Will & Grace did so well back in 1998.

Lieutenant Zappykins here, as someone who was out for a long long time before Will and Grace came out, I felt a good part of the show as making fun of gay people.  I know many people liked it, but I didn't think it was funny, more just mean.  I would of actually prefered the show if it was just Will and Grace and if they had killed of Karen and Jack. 

I thought shows like Buffy the Vampire slayer did a much better job of portraying gay people.  In it some people, like Willow, just happen to be gay and it's just an aspect of their character.  Not a carear choice or comedic device.

Currently I think Doctor Who and Torchwood do a nice job.

But, Will and Grace was a comedy. Of course they're gonna make fun of everything, including the gay part. Buffy wasn't a comedy, so making fun of it would be out of place.

South Park and Family Guy make fun of gay gus all the time, but overall they're extremely positive, and even go as far as preaching when it comes to gay rights.

Jack represents something that many gay men want to distance themselves from for whatever reason (probably because camp guys annoy straight guys the most). I thought the show was incredible (my favourite comedy and one of my favourite shows). The showalso gave me the courage to come out for the first time to a friend, so it has a special place in my heart.

I think because Will & Grace was based entirely around the gay theme, there was room to both make fun of the stereotypes and embrace them. Overall it was definitely a very positive show for the gay community. Compare this to something like The Big Bang Theory now, where the only gay references are mean punchlines challenging the masculinity of Raj and Howard.

Speaking of favourite LGBT shows, did anyone here catch Sugar Rush? Probably my all time favourite in the genre, I would highly recommend it.



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So, I had this weird realization a couple of days ago, which might sound incredibly stupid to most of you, so please let me know what you think.

There are tons of insults in English used in everyday speech which seem to come from insults against gay men, words or phrases like butthurt, suck my dick, this blows, etc (don't remember that many right now, but I thought of quite a few the other day). Am I being paranoid? I know that at least in my country (Greece/Cyprus), there's no equivalent of that as far as I'm aware.



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naruball said:
So, I had this weird realization a couple of days ago, which might sound incredibly stupid to most of you, so please let me know what you think.

There are tons of insults in English used in everyday speech which seem to come from insults against gay men, words or phrases like butthurt, suck my dick, this blows, etc (don't remember that many right now, but I thought of quite a few the other day). Am I being paranoid? I know that at least in my country (Greece/Cyprus), there's no equivalent of that as far as I'm aware.

English does seem to have quite a few insults derived from homophobia. Part of our problem is that it has become so well intergrated into our languauge and society must people don't realise it. I remember having massive arguments with a friend of mine who kept calling things 'gay' as a synonym for bad. He felt that because he thought he was very pro-gay rights for a hetero person, it didn't matter that he said that because he didn't 'mean' it in that way and it was just a saying. My obvious counter-argument was that it being a saying was a large part of the problem and that you can't ever expect gays to be considered equal until society stops putting them down in subtle ways. Unfortunately, it's really hard to do anything about because of the reasons stated :/

Also, I wasn't sure about butthurt so I did a quick google search on it and it comes from the idea of spanking someone as a punishment rather than homosexuality. Spanking was obviously a bad thing and your butt hurt afterwards so bad things lead to butthurt. Being angry about something suggested it was a bad thing for you so it become a source of butthurt, just like the spanking.



Yoshiya said:
naruball said:
So, I had this weird realization a couple of days ago, which might sound incredibly stupid to most of you, so please let me know what you think.

There are tons of insults in English used in everyday speech which seem to come from insults against gay men, words or phrases like butthurt, suck my dick, this blows, etc (don't remember that many right now, but I thought of quite a few the other day). Am I being paranoid? I know that at least in my country (Greece/Cyprus), there's no equivalent of that as far as I'm aware.

English does seem to have quite a few insults derived from homophobia. Part of our problem is that it has become so well intergrated into our languauge and society must people don't realise it. I remember having massive arguments with a friend of mine who kept calling things 'gay' as a synonym for bad. He felt that because he thought he was very pro-gay rights for a hetero person, it didn't matter that he said that because he didn't 'mean' it in that way and it was just a saying. My obvious counter-argument was that it being a saying was a large part of the problem and that you can't ever expect gays to be considered equal until society stops putting them down in subtle ways. Unfortunately, it's really hard to do anything about because of the reasons stated :/

Also, I wasn't sure about butthurt so I did a quick google search on it and it comes from the idea of spanking someone as a punishment rather than homosexuality. Spanking was obviously a bad thing and your butt hurt afterwards so bad things lead to butthurt. Being angry about something suggested it was a bad thing for you so it become a source of butthurt, just like the spanking.

Haha, I can't believe I forgot the most obvious one. Yeah, literally all my friends say "gay" whenever they don't like something, both the ones I'm out to and all the others. Though generally speaking I don't mind gay jokes at all and my best friend (who's straight) and I call each other the f word quite often, I hate it  when people say "gay" instead of "stupid" or whatever. What I really wanna ask them some time is how they'd feel if I called it "German". As in, "yeah, that sucks balls, man. So German". Or "fat" (if they're fat). Or even "Thomas" (if that's their name). As in "I can't believe she said the sun is not a star. Fucking Thomas (gay), man". I'm actually considering replacing their names instead of stupid and then tell them that I like them anyway, and I'm pro-them, so what are they complaining about? (one person at a time).

(btw, I don't mind it when I tell them for example that I like Britney Spears and they go "gayyyyyyy". That's fine. But when they call something negative "gay", especially when they know that I'm gay and it's a sensitive matter, yeah, I get really upset)

About "butthurt", thanks. I had no idea. It's quite interesting, really. I had forgotten all about spanking at schools a few decades ago.



naruball said:

Haha, I can't believe I forgot the most obvious one. Yeah, literally all my friends say "gay" whenever they don't like something, both the ones I'm out to and all the others. Though generally speaking I don't mind gay jokes at all and my best friend (who's straight) and I call each other the f word quite often, I hate it  when people say "gay" instead of "stupid" or whatever. What I really wanna ask them some time is how they'd feel if I called it "German".

Yea, when I was arguing what that friend of mine I just asked him "So what makes it gay?" and he could never answer. Eventually he would respond with "Nothing but it's just a saying" and make it out like I was the bad guy in all this for being so over-defensive of gays (this was when I still identified as hetero and was only just starting to consider myself as homo).



Not sure if this is necessarily good news really but Health Canada has apparently lifted their ban on gay men giving blood.....as long as they haven't had sex in 5 years.....

http://metronews.ca/news/canada/680290/health-canada-lifts-lifetime-ban-on-blood-donation-by-gay-men/

It's....a step forward....into a wall...



axumblade said:
Not sure if this is necessarily good news really but Health Canada has apparently lifted their ban on gay men giving blood.....as long as they haven't had sex in 5 years.....

http://metronews.ca/news/canada/680290/health-canada-lifts-lifetime-ban-on-blood-donation-by-gay-men/

It's....a step forward....into a wall...


It's progress. I remember when they switched from a lifetime ban to a 1 year ban here in the UK, it felt like a step forward.



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