Proviso: I’m only speaking about Christianity in the following.
Regarding you first paragraph, John 3:16 is probably the most well know verse in the Bible, “For God so LOVED the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” If you know anything about Christianity, as you claim you do, you would know that the whole of Christianity is based on God’s love for us, in that we cannot save ourselves because of human nature, that he sent his Son Jesus out of love to help bring us salvation from ourselves. Analogy, some people use knives to kill, some people use knives to cook, but that doesn’t change what a knife is. Similarly Christianity is love, no matter how people use it. It’s the people that are wrong not Christianity.
But that's the issue, dude, the 'for god so loved the world' stuff is only the new testament. Half of the bible. the revisionist edition. There's a whole series of books about judgement and hellfire and sodom and floods and all this stuff about burning people and sleeping with animals. I respect and appreciate that you chose to believe the parts that are about love and unity, but let's be honest here, you can't honestly think that's all there is. That's one of the reaosns I dismiss religion: its members tend to pick and chose what they want to believe in, explaining away what doesn't coincide with their own beliefs.
I'd love to meet your challenge, but there is no challenge in place. Your one thing about 'we believe things are created, so why can't we be?' argument is flawed right out of the gate. it's a return to that faith thing, faith that what you believe is true despite there being no evidence. we have evidence buildigns are created, we see them being created. There is no actual argument for human creation beyond "Well, we might have been created, we don't know." Yeah, and a giant might have molded mountains from rock and dirtbecuase he was bored, we don't know, but that's certainly not significant evidence to claim that it is the truth.
it is nice, however, to speak with someone who is capable of writing something that can actually be deciphered, so thanks for that.
OK, sorry for the late reply, but I'm just going to deal with the points above, but let me just point out tthat the whole of your response is rebuttable.
Firstly, I maintain that not only the New Testiment of the Bible has love as its basis. I submit to you that the 10 Commandments recorded in the Old Testiment at Exodus 20, is all about LOVE. Commandments 1 to 4 LOVE God, Commandments 5 to 10 LOVE your fellow man (I've made this argument before in other threads). For example, commadnment six says essentially 'You shall not murder' - I think that leads ultimately to loving your fellow man. Moreover, in Genesis 2 when Adam and Eve sinned and disobeyed God, it is his love for not only Adma and Eve, but for the whole of Humanity to come, that devised a plan so even though we sin, he will not just destroy the world and start all over again. This plan of LOVE for all humanity lead to John 3:16 and ultimately Jesus' death on the Cross. So I submit that from begining to end, the Bible is a story about LOVE.
Lastly, my faith argument is not flawed, in fact, I think it is very logical. Remember I gave you the definition of FAITH from the bible, that it contains evidence and substance. So logically, if look around my room as I type this, I can see my Wii U, my Speakers, my Rug, and my Window just to name a few. Logic tells me that EVERYTHING I see was Created. Well, if that is true, I can also see the water in the sink with some dirty dishes. I know where the dishes came from and that someone created them - I didn't see that someone do it, but it's logical to believe so. But where did the water come from? To cut a long story short, I must logically ask where did the elements H2O come from? Which man on Earth created them? If all the other things I can see around me like my Wii U were created, then who created the elements in H2O? For if Wii Us don't magically appear, so must also the elements in H2O, logically.
Note that even if Science can explain where the elements in H2O came from, the next logical question would be, so where did that thing come from? Science will always hit such a wall, where it simply cannot explain eveything without coming to one of two conclusions (1) that a Creator/God exists (2) Magic exists. Assuming the Atheist position that a Creator doesn't exist, Science must conclude that Magic exists, that things just appear, magically - for the Big Bang Theory, for example, does sound a bit like a magic show, doesn't it? But as commical as that sounds, the next logical question would be, where did the Magic come from - does Magic/Big Bangs come from nowhere? I think it is then, ultimately, logical to believe, that EVERYTHING must have a Creator, whether you talking about Wii Us and the elements in H2O.
Now, I'm not saying that Science is in any wrong or even that there was no Big Bang - in fact I accept the Big Bang Theory. What I'm saying is that Science ULTIMATELY can't explain everything. At some point you must apply FAITH (remember evidence and substance). Faith that accepts Science which leads to the logical conclusion that the is a creator. Many Scientists have already come to this conclusion.