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konnichiwa said:
Famine said:

Ofcourse the rest of the world too but with isolated you mean like:  Don't get oil from other countries,
 Produce everything in the USA CARS, TV's, CLOTHES... right?

I don't have to tell you a lot of products would be a hell more expensive right? And without oil you will have 
problems..
 

About ISreal and Palestine I don't want to give a comment because I didn't the studied
the subject for 100%

Why people would blame USA for natural disasters: Because USA doesn't wanted to
sign the Kyoto contract.

The contract in fact says that all countries are going to do their best to be more
environement friendly like Cars who run on Electricity. We really need to do something
before disasters will happen like New Orleans.

Of course it is stupid to blame USA for it now but USA, EU are big reasons of the
pollution in the world and while EU is trying to pollute less, USA says we don't care.  I am sure if USA signed it and wanted to do something for the
 environement people 
would not blame USA.

That was when we didn't needed other countries...but we found out that foreign countries can help to make live better for the people in their country..

 


The U.S. was never an islotionist country where not only avoiding foreign politics, but also preventing trade with other countries as well. If that were the case than tobacco and cotton would have become irrelevant a long time ago, and if the U.S. were strict with imports, than no one would have traded with the U.S., now would they?

With all due respect, to say that the U.S. failing to sign the Kyoto Protocol is the result of the tsunamis is by far the most asinine thing I have ever heard. Please tell me you are aware that the Tsunamis were caused by underwater earthquakes in the Indian Ocean?

Also, the U.S. did sign the Kyoto Protocol, we just didn't ratify it. Now, had the U.S. also ratified it, it's not something that will have an effect over-night, wouldn't you say? This is something that takes years, and while the U.S. government as a whole has failed to do anything about it, that doesn't mean states haven't taken proper steps:

"As of January 18, 2007, eight Northeastern US states are involved in the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), which is a state level emissions capping and trading program. It is believed that the state-level program will indirectly apply pressure on the federal government by demonstrating that reductions can be achieved without being a signatory of the Kyoto Protocol.

  • Participating states: Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Delaware, Massachusetts, and Maryland (these states represent over 46 million people).
  • Observer states and regions: Pennsylvania, District of Columbia, Rhode Island.

On August 31, 2006, the California Legislature (representing over 33 million Californians) reached an agreement with Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to reduce the state's greenhouse-gas emissions, which rank at 12th-largest in the world, by 25% by the year 2020. This resulted in the Global Warming Solutions Act which effectively puts California in line with the Kyoto limitations, but at a date later than the 2008-2012 Kyoto commitment period.

As of December 4, 2007, 740 US cities in 50 states, the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, representing over 76 million Americans support Kyoto after Mayor Greg Nickels of Seattle started a nationwide effort to get cities to agree to the protocol. On October 29, 2007, it was reported that Seattle met their target reduction in 2005, reducing their greenhouse gas emissions by 8 percent since 1990."

This is just one of many licenses for others to run their mouth on the U.S.

Again, I think you believe the U.S. never traded with other countries.



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There are really four factors that plague the US right now:

1. Fiscal Irresponsibility
2. The Housing Crisis
3. The Credit Crisis
4. Monetary Irresponsibility

First the U.S. Government has a problem controlling it's spending and it doesn't plan very well for the future. We don't need a tax rebate. What we need is to get out of th Iraq War and start discussing the he impending Social Security/Medicare problem. The baby-boomers have just started to collect SS.

Second you have stupid citizens getting loans they can't pay off and greedy mortgage companies willing to loan the money out and sell them to financial institutions. We need laws to be passed so this type of thing doesn't happen.

Third, because of the bad mortgages, financial institutions are ending up with the bill and are now short on cash that can be loaned out to endeavors with potential. For instance a business with a really good idea might have trouble securing capital to grow the company. This will definitly affect employment.

Fourth, and perhaps most important of them all is the monetary irresponsibility of the Fed. They love to mess with the markets to try and "fix" it but somehow they make things even worse. The great depression was aggravated by the Fed and they are doing the same thing now. Artificially reducing interest rates and printing more money is not the thing to do. The market correction that is going on now is in part their fault.



Dbot said
Hate America all you want. Just know that we will be there for you no matter how ungrateful you are. When a country invades, or terrorists attack you, America will stand by you. No questions asked. That is an unshakeable truth.
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Amen



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konnichiwa said:
Entroper said:
StarcraftManiac said:

Btw, we were already a mighty economical power before the US even was a country. So what the hell are you talking about? It IS America's fault... You deal with it!


If you're so mighty and powerful, then how is it that our recession can "take World Economy down" as you put it? You're taking a seriously immature attitude about this. Recessions happen after periods of too much growth. At some point, the growth becomes unsustainable, and the market corrects.

Because USA needs EU and EU needs USA. If USA haves problems EU will feel it and the same would happen
if EU had problems..

 

Konnichiwa said:

And the growth of the European markets also beniffited the US market before so what is your point?

Of course, it's a global economy. But you don't hear me bitching every time our economy takes a hit from a foreign recession. Japan went into a recession a few years ago, and I don't recall seeing threads that said "Recession - Thank you Japan." with comments like "I bloody hope Japan falls more than 10% tomorrow!" If we grow with Japan, we will shrink with Japan, and vice-versa. If Europe grows with us, Europe will shrink with us, and vice-versa. There is no sense in spreading all this US-hate.


Come on okay I understand Starcraft mabye went to far but the OP post was no to bitch about it...

Japan =/= Eu or USA. Japan is becoming every year less important for us...In fact is just a small country with a population of around 120 million. Japan got a recession because of China. A lot of the factories that made products for USA or EU moved from
Japan to China what happens..

Japan loses factories => Japanese workers lose their job => Less USA or EU companies invested in Japan That is bad from Japan

but what changed for USA and Europe? We get our products now from China and not from Japan...That is all. People will not lose jobs because of the fact that we get our products from China in the place of Japan ^^''.


Then what was the point?  It's the title of the thread.  I think it's pretty clear what the OP was about.

I realize that our economies are tied together.  My response to StarcraftManiac was a rhetorical question to illustrate the ridiculousness of his statement, and I made it clear that what affects one major player will affect all major players.



stof said:
hoerenkind said:
stof said:
Don't worry guys. Recessions are a natural occurance. That's why Bush's government spent their term in office using the good years to pay down debt so that they'd have more money to pump into the economy to offset slow downs such as this one...

Oh wait.

they did ?? that new for me


No they didn't. That's why I said "Oh wait."

Lol. I love how people have selective reading comprehensionabout so many things 

 



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I didn't want to enter this stupid debate....

However no one in here, whether they want to or not can change politics in their respective countries I didn't vote for Bush but his administration, I mean regime is what allows to to make this post. We as a whole screwed up and we can only put bandages on our wounds.


ps

I can't tell from over the internet but it seem like people classify Americans as if it's one race. Also as if race isn't a social construct and as no scientifically bearings and as if every "race" from every country doesn't live in the U.S. some where




double post............????




akuma587 said:
Americans are stupid, trust me, I am one. We know less foreign languages than the rest of the world's citizens, our high school students perform less well measured by objective criteria than many foreign countries, and we elected someone like George Bush to office, TWICE.

I think we are getting smarter, but we are pretty damn dumb, especially the South (I live in the South).

hey  speak for yourself, im american and i know 3 languages
plus i can understand basic chinese and also speak a little of it. j/k
though i did study in a different country, so i have no comment about highschools here.
but let me tell you the school i studied in starts teaching kids at the age of 3 and usually let kids graduate at the age of 16.
which is lot better than gratuating at the age of 18 here in the states IMO.

people here in the states are crazy in debt though.

its like they count and sell the chicks before the eggs even hatch.




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iclim4 said:
akuma587 said:
Americans are stupid, trust me, I am one. We know less foreign languages than the rest of the world's citizens, our high school students perform less well measured by objective criteria than many foreign countries, and we elected someone like George Bush to office, TWICE.

I think we are getting smarter, but we are pretty damn dumb, especially the South (I live in the South).

hey speak for yourself, im american and i know 3 languages
plus i can understand basic chinese and also speak a little of it. j/k
though i did study in a different country, so i have no comment about highschools here.
but let me tell you the school i studied in starts teaching kids at the age of 3 and usually let kids graduate at the age of 16.
which is lot better than gratuating at the age of 18 here in the states IMO.

people here in the states are crazy in debt though.

its like they count and sell the chicks before the eggs even hatch.


 Intelligent and multilingual people are ALWAYS welcome in this country.  I think any people born in foreign countries have less of an inherent bias towards American culture and can see both the good and the bad, and are willing to change the bad.



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dbot said:
Hate America all you want. Just know that we will be there for you no matter how ungrateful you are. When a country invades, or terrorists attack you, America will stand by you. No questions asked. That is an unshakeable truth.

 

ROFL. 

As long as you aren't being attacked by Hitler or involved in some other 'regional conflict' . And  have lots of oil. Heck if you have Oil, America will stand by you even if you don't want them to!

 

 



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