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the problem is that we're talking about gay marriage, birth control, and abortion while the country is about to collapse in debt and buried in pointless wars while trying to start new ones. We need to talk about the economy and wars, all the other stuff needs to go on the back burner because none of that matters if the government collapses.



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johnsobas said:
the problem is that we're talking about gay marriage, birth control, and abortion while the country is about to collapse in debt and buried in pointless wars while trying to start new ones. We need to talk about the economy and wars, all the other stuff needs to go on the back burner because none of that matters if the government collapses.

Social issues are easier to take clear stances on. Few enough people are willing to take hard-and-fast stances on matters of the economy or the national debt or wars, because while small government seems like a nice idea and i would theoretically enjoy watching the reactions to an American-style "shock therapy," one needs to be flexible when dealing with the economy and with foreign policy, and willing to take advantage of all your tools at your disposal. With social issues, it's very clean-cut and easy to say solid things that people understand.



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osamanobama said:
bouzane said:


Sorry but not believing that homosexuality is natural utterly moronic. It occurs frequently in nature and has been observed in a wide variety of species, hence calling homosexuality natural is a factual statement, not an opinion.

so does murder, "rape", and cannabalism.

Yeah 'cause that's totally the same thing. Let's see:

Murder: One person dies
Rape: One person is scared for life
Cannibalism: Requires a dead person

Homosexuality: Two persons love each other. How shocking!



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TruckOSaurus said:
osamanobama said:
bouzane said:


Sorry but not believing that homosexuality is natural utterly moronic. It occurs frequently in nature and has been observed in a wide variety of species, hence calling homosexuality natural is a factual statement, not an opinion.

so does murder, "rape", and cannabalism.

Yeah 'cause that's totally the same thing. Let's see:

Murder: One person dies
Rape: One person is scared for life
Cannibalism: Requires a dead person

Homosexuality: Two persons love each other. How shocking!

but its in nature... so its natural.

dont be a cannibalphobe.

"pedophilia" also happens in nature, so if anyone tells you its weird, or not normal, they are wrong!



osamanobama said:
TruckOSaurus said:

Yeah 'cause that's totally the same thing. Let's see:

Murder: One person dies
Rape: One person is scared for life
Cannibalism: Requires a dead person

Homosexuality: Two persons love each other. How shocking!

but its in nature... so its natural.

dont be a cannibalphobe.

"pedophilia" also happens in nature, so if anyone tells you its weird, or not normal, they are wrong!

I don't really care for the "it happens in nature" argument myself. Humans could be the only species engaging in homosexual acts that it wouldn't make it wrong. I know from personal experience that I didn't "artificially" choose to be attracted to men.

I do take offense to you using rapists and murderers in a discution about homosexuality as a backhanded way of associating gays with people who aren't socially functionnal. The LGBT community bring as much to society as straight people do and comparing them to killers is rather insulting.



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osamanobama said:

but its in nature... so its natural.

dont be a cannibalphobe.

"pedophilia" also happens in nature, so if anyone tells you its weird, or not normal, they are wrong!

You don't seem to recognize the difference between the situation when two persons love each other and when a grown up abuse a child?

Rape, Murder and Pedophilia harm a person.

When a man or woman is homosexual it doesn't harm any other person. When a man or woman is black that doesn't harm any other person. When a man or woman has brown hair it doesn't harm any other person.

Fact is: People like Santorum always find a minority they can punish, because they need someone to punish to feel better. Perhaps it would be a better world if man like Santorum would find other things that make them happy.



z101 said:
osamanobama said:

but its in nature... so its natural.

dont be a cannibalphobe.

"pedophilia" also happens in nature, so if anyone tells you its weird, or not normal, they are wrong!

You don't seem to recognize the difference between the situation when two persons love each other and when a grown up abuse a child?

Rape, Murder and Pedophilia harm a person.

When a man or woman is homosexual it doesn't harm any other person. When a man or woman is black that doesn't harm any other person. When a man or woman has brown hair it doesn't harm any other person.

who said anything about abuse, pedophilia can easily happen between 2 consenting people.

im strictly talking about things a natural and normal because they happen in nature. many people seem to be getting mixed up here



He shouldn't even have the power to "unmarry" people, nobody in the government should.

I don't see what the problem would be by having two separate recognitions of a partnership. The government should recognise civil unions only, religions should recognise marriages only.

If you want to be recognised as a couple by the government, have a civil union; if you want to be recognised as a couple by your church, have a civil union and get married. That's as easy as you like.

Then it's up to the churches themselves to say whether they recognise a homosexual marriage or not.

Ron Paul sounds like he has the right idea on this one.



osamanobama said:
z101 said:
osamanobama said:

but its in nature... so its natural.

dont be a cannibalphobe.

"pedophilia" also happens in nature, so if anyone tells you its weird, or not normal, they are wrong!

You don't seem to recognize the difference between the situation when two persons love each other and when a grown up abuse a child?

Rape, Murder and Pedophilia harm a person.

When a man or woman is homosexual it doesn't harm any other person. When a man or woman is black that doesn't harm any other person. When a man or woman has brown hair it doesn't harm any other person.

who said anything about abuse, pedophilia can easily happen between 2 consenting people.

im strictly talking about things a natural and normal because they happen in nature. many people seem to be getting mixed up here


it cant because a 10 or 11 yo does not have the capaciity to understand adult sexual situations or legal authorty to give consent.

 

look.  its ok for you to feel that way about them.  you cant help that you are attacted to them, and you have my sympathies...im sure its not easy for you.   but a child CANNOT consent.   if you still really feel they can, or come to a point where you think a child will "consent" with you please immediately seek out the help of a professional.  rape is rape, regardless of who or what you are attracted to. 



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MrBubbles said:
osamanobama said:
z101 said:
osamanobama said:

but its in nature... so its natural.

dont be a cannibalphobe.

"pedophilia" also happens in nature, so if anyone tells you its weird, or not normal, they are wrong!

You don't seem to recognize the difference between the situation when two persons love each other and when a grown up abuse a child?

Rape, Murder and Pedophilia harm a person.

When a man or woman is homosexual it doesn't harm any other person. When a man or woman is black that doesn't harm any other person. When a man or woman has brown hair it doesn't harm any other person.

who said anything about abuse, pedophilia can easily happen between 2 consenting people.

im strictly talking about things a natural and normal because they happen in nature. many people seem to be getting mixed up here


it cant because a 10 or 11 yo does not have the capaciity to understand adult sexual situations or legal authorty to give consent.

 

look.  its ok for you to feel that way about them.  you cant help that you are attacted to them, and you have my sympathies...im sure its not easy for you.   but a child CANNOT consent.   if you still really feel they can, or come to a point where you think a child will "consent" with you please immediately seek out the help of a professional.  rape is rape, regardless of who or what you are attracted to. 

and who said anything about 10 or 11 year olds.

what about 15, 16,17 year olds. who are you to be the judge of when someone can consent or not? Who are you to decide on the arbitrary year of 18, some people may not be able to consent by then, others many years before. who are we to get in the way of love?