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Stefl1504 said:


Oh, rents in Vienna are pretty low, if you don't have much money you can go live in a "Sozialbau" where you pay the third of a normal rent and you pay around 10€ per m² if you have enough money to afford a living, also, if you can't afford a "Sozialbau" you still can go to a homeless shelter (I asume they aren't that bad since my father enjoyed living in them for a while ;P).

With the lowest salaries (minimum wage - except waste disposal industry) for a full time job in Austria starting at 1000 € monthly (14000€ a year) (Data of 2009) you have a monthly after tax value of 849,30 available and two times 859,30 summing to 11.910,20 € a year, so you could afford arround 30m² without serious issues - i pay for ~27 m² about 280 € a little too much, but come around with ~480 € a month with food and everything. So in my eyes living costs arent that high in Austria...

EDIT: if you wonder what you would have left of your salary (netto) in Austria type in here what your total salary is (brutto);

Also I want to say, since I am a student I only get something called Familienbeihilfe (211,1 € per Month) and 280 € from my Mom, so 480 is pretty much everything I have ;P

Vienna: It is nice that Austria is regarded as a good place to live in.

To be precise you pay no income tax at all if you earn only € 14.000 a year. You just have to pay € 2.089 for health insurance, unemployment insurance, accident insurance and retirement pension insurance. This amount is not a tax because you get access to medicare, unemployment benefits and a retirement pension.

I appreciate the social system here in Austria. If you suffer from cancer you don't have to worry about how to pay for the treatment (although there still are some situations where you don't have access to social insurances). The high social standard might also be the reason why there are only a few heavy crimes here. It is still something unusual if you read something about murder in the newspaper... just happens not every day here. And if you get killed you have a very high chance of knowing your killer personally since most cases happen within the family or in love relationships.

 

 

Frankfurt: don't forget about Frankfurt Airport... the criminal statistics is heavily inflated.



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Alphachris said:
Stefl1504 said:


Oh, rents in Vienna are pretty low, if you don't have much money you can go live in a "Sozialbau" where you pay the third of a normal rent and you pay around 10€ per m² if you have enough money to afford a living, also, if you can't afford a "Sozialbau" you still can go to a homeless shelter (I asume they aren't that bad since my father enjoyed living in them for a while ;P).

With the lowest salaries (minimum wage - except waste disposal industry) for a full time job in Austria starting at 1000 € monthly (14000€ a year) (Data of 2009) you have a monthly after tax value of 849,30 available and two times 859,30 summing to 11.910,20 € a year, so you could afford arround 30m² without serious issues - i pay for ~27 m² about 280 € a little too much, but come around with ~480 € a month with food and everything. So in my eyes living costs arent that high in Austria...

EDIT: if you wonder what you would have left of your salary (netto) in Austria type in here what your total salary is (brutto);

Also I want to say, since I am a student I only get something called Familienbeihilfe (211,1 € per Month) and 280 € from my Mom, so 480 is pretty much everything I have ;P

Vienna: It is nice that Austria is regarded as a good place to live in.

To be precise you pay no income tax at all if you earn only € 14.000 a year. You just have to pay € 2.089 for health insurance, unemployment insurance, accident insurance and retirement pension insurance. This amount is not a tax because you get access to medicare, unemployment benefits and a retirement pension.

I appreciate the social system here in Austria. If you suffer from cancer you don't have to worry about how to pay for the treatment (although there still are some situations where you don't have access to social insurances). The high social standard might also be the reason why there are only a few heavy crimes here. It is still something unusual if you read something about murder in the newspaper... just happens not every day here. And if you get killed you have a very high chance of knowing your killer personally since most cases happen within the family or in love relationships.

 

 

Frankfurt: don't forget about Frankfurt Airport... the criminal statistics is heavily inflated.


Is that 2,089 euros for the year or a month? That is just amazing to me that this is how it is over there. The crime rate is really low there as well? I guess it really is a nice place to live!



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spurgeonryan said:
Alphachris said:
Stefl1504 said:


Oh, rents in Vienna are pretty low, if you don't have much money you can go live in a "Sozialbau" where you pay the third of a normal rent and you pay around 10€ per m² if you have enough money to afford a living, also, if you can't afford a "Sozialbau" you still can go to a homeless shelter (I asume they aren't that bad since my father enjoyed living in them for a while ;P).

With the lowest salaries (minimum wage - except waste disposal industry) for a full time job in Austria starting at 1000 € monthly (14000€ a year) (Data of 2009) you have a monthly after tax value of 849,30 available and two times 859,30 summing to 11.910,20 € a year, so you could afford arround 30m² without serious issues - i pay for ~27 m² about 280 € a little too much, but come around with ~480 € a month with food and everything. So in my eyes living costs arent that high in Austria...

EDIT: if you wonder what you would have left of your salary (netto) in Austria type in here what your total salary is (brutto);

Also I want to say, since I am a student I only get something called Familienbeihilfe (211,1 € per Month) and 280 € from my Mom, so 480 is pretty much everything I have ;P

Vienna: It is nice that Austria is regarded as a good place to live in.

To be precise you pay no income tax at all if you earn only € 14.000 a year. You just have to pay € 2.089 for health insurance, unemployment insurance, accident insurance and retirement pension insurance. This amount is not a tax because you get access to medicare, unemployment benefits and a retirement pension.

I appreciate the social system here in Austria. If you suffer from cancer you don't have to worry about how to pay for the treatment (although there still are some situations where you don't have access to social insurances). The high social standard might also be the reason why there are only a few heavy crimes here. It is still something unusual if you read something about murder in the newspaper... just happens not every day here. And if you get killed you have a very high chance of knowing your killer personally since most cases happen within the family or in love relationships.

 

 

Frankfurt: don't forget about Frankfurt Airport... the criminal statistics is heavily inflated.


Is that 2,089 euros for the year or a month? That is just amazing to me that this is how it is over there. The crime rate is really low there as well? I guess it really is a nice place to live!

2089 Euro a year, though if you earn more you have to pay more ;P



You have to pay approx. 17% of your income for social insurance. This amount is not to be considered as a tax because you earn some rights depending on your income. This social insurance is mandatory and you can't choose your insurance company. Your employer have to pay an additional 21% into the social system.

With this health insurance (approx. 4%) you get an "e-card" that gives you access to the public health system. You only have to pay a minimum patient's contribution for medication, for residential treatment in hospitals (a few Euro/day) as long as your doctor can attest medical reasons. There is no connection between how much insurance you pay and how much costs are covered. As long as you have insurance all necessary costs are covered.

Unemployment insurance (3%) gives you access to 6 months of unemployment benefit (only 5 months if you quit). The amount depends of your income. So the more insurance you pay, the more you get out.

Pension insurance amounts to 10 %. Thats the main reason why the labour costs in europe are higher than in the rest of the world. Our pension system is deeply rooted in the workforce. But this mandatory public pension ensures that everyone who worked throughout his life has access to an pension. So in Austria and many european countries we do not have to earn our pensions on the stock exchange. We are somehow forced to pay 10 % of our income in a public pension insurance company.

I don't know the UK/US system well but I think our system is very different from yours. Since we have a strong social system even poor people have a certain living standard and the crime rate is not very high. It is often very interesting to talk to exchange students or tourists about how they think about the situation in Austria.

A friend of mine works with Red Bull near Salzburg. They often have conferences there lasting late into the night. He told me that once a conference lasted almost until midnight and when they went to the carpark a guy from Brazil was really shocked because they dared to walk into the dark at night without the fear of being robbed/kidnapped. That is somehow funny... but that should also be a warning that we Austrians should be careful when going abroad since we should not think that every country is as safe as ours.



Alphachris said:
You have to pay approx. 17% of your income for social insurance. This amount is not to be considered as a tax because you earn some rights depending on your income. This social insurance is mandatory and you can't choose your insurance company. Your employer have to pay an additional 21% into the social system.

With this health insurance (approx. 4%) you get an "e-card" that gives you access to the public health system. You only have to pay a minimum patient's contribution for medication, for residential treatment in hospitals (a few Euro/day) as long as your doctor can attest medical reasons. There is no connection between how much insurance you pay and how much costs are covered. As long as you have insurance all necessary costs are covered.

Unemployment insurance (3%) gives you access to 6 months of unemployment benefit (only 5 months if you quit). The amount depends of your income. So the more insurance you pay, the more you get out.

Pension insurance amounts to 10 %. Thats the main reason why the labour costs in europe are higher than in the rest of the world. Our pension system is deeply rooted in the workforce. But this mandatory public pension ensures that everyone who worked throughout his life has access to an pension. So in Austria and many european countries we do not have to earn our pensions on the stock exchange. We are somehow forced to pay 10 % of our income in a public pension insurance company.

I don't know the UK/US system well but I think our system is very different from yours. Since we have a strong social system even poor people have a certain living standard and the crime rate is not very high. It is often very interesting to talk to exchange students or tourists about how they think about the situation in Austria.

A friend of mine works with Red Bull near Salzburg. They often have conferences there lasting late into the night. He told me that once a conference lasted almost until midnight and when they went to the carpark a guy from Brazil was really shocked because they dared to walk into the dark at night without the fear of being robbed/kidnapped. That is somehow funny... but that should also be a warning that we Austrians should be careful when going abroad since we should not think that every country is as safe as ours.


I also can't remember when there was something about a robery in the news... most of the time they are reporting about drunken drivers being drunken with 3 or 4 promille ;P or these drivers having an accident



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Yay! 42th place :)



Wow lol the US doesn't have even 1 city in the top 50 for best personal safety ranking.



I really want to live in Europe one day



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I find the lack of Iceland disturbing . It should least have a city in the personal-safety ranking