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Will online play be charged on ps4?

Yes 108 47.79%
 
No 98 43.36%
 
I don't bother 20 8.85%
 
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Jay520 on 19 November 2011
Shinobi-san said:
Jay520 said:
thranx said:
Jay520 said:
sethnintendo said:

I hope they do just to spite Sony fans. I know companies need to make a profit but paying to play online is pretty much where I draw the line. Sure, I paid a monthly fee for PSO on GC and for WoW on PC. However, I will not pay to play online ever again. I'm done with MMO because of this reason (or at least pay to play MMO). I have never been jealous of anything Microsoft Live has so I see no need to pay for basic online gaming. This is why I think companies such as Microsoft really don't give a damn about gamers.


No company 'cares' about their consumers, they care about their consumer's money. That's why they're called companies, and not philanthropies.

There are plenty of companies that care for their customers. You dont bite the hand that feeds you. While I will not argue thet they dont care about the customers money, I will say that they also care for their customer.


Maybe I should have been more specific. Companies place very little, if any, significance on consumers' welfare compared to consumers' money. They may show some care for consumer's welfare, but it's not geniune. They simply act like they care because if they do, they'll likely receive more money. Which leads back to a company's only genuine care: money.


Gotta disagree with you on this Jay520. To say that all companies only care about their customers money is wrong. Not every company's only genuine care is to make money. I mean if that was true some industries wouldnt exist. Take for example a small game developer company, whose primary goal is to make good games, making money is just the means to be able to do what they want to do.

I think most industries which are not highly profitable are a result of companies wanting to provide a specific service or make a particular product to consumers. I would say the genuine care is to then provide that service. Things get messy when a company gets bigger, and investors get involved (now their only care would be to make money) companies then have to appease those investors but also please the consumers and stil be able to do the things they want to do. It becomes complicated.

Either way, its not as simple as to say a company's only genuine care is money.



Okay maybe for smaller companies, sure. But in the case of larger companies like Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft (who were the primary companies I was describing in my original post, though it's my mistake for not acknowledging this), I think my view holds well.

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Shinobi-san on 19 November 2011
Jay520 said:
Shinobi-san said:
Jay520 said:
thranx said:
Jay520 said:
sethnintendo said:

I hope they do just to spite Sony fans. I know companies need to make a profit but paying to play online is pretty much where I draw the line. Sure, I paid a monthly fee for PSO on GC and for WoW on PC. However, I will not pay to play online ever again. I'm done with MMO because of this reason (or at least pay to play MMO). I have never been jealous of anything Microsoft Live has so I see no need to pay for basic online gaming. This is why I think companies such as Microsoft really don't give a damn about gamers.


No company 'cares' about their consumers, they care about their consumer's money. That's why they're called companies, and not philanthropies.

There are plenty of companies that care for their customers. You dont bite the hand that feeds you. While I will not argue thet they dont care about the customers money, I will say that they also care for their customer.


Maybe I should have been more specific. Companies place very little, if any, significance on consumers' welfare compared to consumers' money. They may show some care for consumer's welfare, but it's not geniune. They simply act like they care because if they do, they'll likely receive more money. Which leads back to a company's only genuine care: money.


Gotta disagree with you on this Jay520. To say that all companies only care about their customers money is wrong. Not every company's only genuine care is to make money. I mean if that was true some industries wouldnt exist. Take for example a small game developer company, whose primary goal is to make good games, making money is just the means to be able to do what they want to do.

I think most industries which are not highly profitable are a result of companies wanting to provide a specific service or make a particular product to consumers. I would say the genuine care is to then provide that service. Things get messy when a company gets bigger, and investors get involved (now their only care would be to make money) companies then have to appease those investors but also please the consumers and stil be able to do the things they want to do. It becomes complicated.

Either way, its not as simple as to say a company's only genuine care is money.


Okay maybe for smaller companies, sure. But in the case of larger companies like Nintendo, Sony & Microsoft (who were the primary companies I was describing in my original post, though it's my mistake for not acknowledging this), I think my view holds well.

Yeah you probably right, these companies are massive. I look at a company like sony which is important to the japanese economy as well...imagine if they went under how much jobs would be lost etc. Failing is not really an option for these companies, which forces them to make making a profit and money the primary goal.



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reviniente on 19 November 2011
Jay520 said:
sethnintendo said:

I hope they do just to spite Sony fans. I know companies need to make a profit but paying to play online is pretty much where I draw the line. Sure, I paid a monthly fee for PSO on GC and for WoW on PC. However, I will not pay to play online ever again. I'm done with MMO because of this reason (or at least pay to play MMO). I have never been jealous of anything Microsoft Live has so I see no need to pay for basic online gaming. This is why I think companies such as Microsoft really don't give a damn about gamers.


No company 'cares' about their consumers, they care about their consumer's money. That's why they're called companies, and not philanthropies.

How Nintendo fans can muster the courage to even suggest that Nintendo Co., Ltd. cares about them, is beyond the limits of reason.



Mad55 on 19 November 2011

This seems natural to me. idk 10 bucks a month aint alot or 60 a year. Sony could reaslly benefit from this and nintendo.



Player1x3 on 20 November 2011
Seece said:
x_DMX_x said:
Seece said:
mantlepiecek said:
They won't charge for online gaming. Seems 360 fans haven't known this for a while, but PSN already has an answer for paid subscription of Gold and that is called as PS +.

Common sense tells you that they won't charge for online game play. And no, there is no "service offered" when you are playing online. You are using the devs servers and your own internet connection when playing online.

'Common sense'? Huh?

Common sense sauys they could and should, they're a business, and they're throwing money down the drain by not doing so. They don't offer PSN to you for free because they love you, they do it because this generation to be on par with XBL they needed too.

PSN+ doesn't generate near the same amount as XBL. Nowhere near.

I hope you know by the time PSVita and PS4 release.PSN is already going to offer the same or maybe even more of what LIVE offers lol.So they're will be no point of paying for LIVE.

You can tell the future then? PSN will improve, but so will XBL, online is in MS's DNA, it's incredibly unlikely PSN will ever surpass XBL in quality.


The only advantage microsoft XBL has is bigger library  of indie and arcade games as well as downloadable full games. Everything else is same or better on PSN at no extra charge at all. And this comes from a guy who has both PSN and XBL gold. Last time i checked you dont even have PS3/PSN, so why are you so quick to judge it?



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Crystalchild on 20 November 2011
maximrace said:

- The free online play is one of the big reasons people buy a ps3


From what ive heard, people sometimes actually buy a 360 because of XBL. :P

 

@thread - it will cost us money just like Xbox live does, nowadays. And that without anything special, like we have with PSN PLUS today.



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sethnintendo on 20 November 2011
reviniente said:
Jay520 said:


No company 'cares' about their consumers, they care about their consumer's money. That's why they're called companies, and not philanthropies.

How Nintendo fans can muster the courage to even suggest that Nintendo Co., Ltd. cares about them, is beyond the limits of reason.

I'll give you an example of Nintendo's excellent customer service.  A year or two back my Wii Sports disc wasn't loading but all my other Wii games worked.  I determined that the shitty sleeve case they provided probably resulted in the disc having more scratches than with a regular case.  I became furious about Wii Sports not working one day so I took it out and broke it in half.  I then called there customer service and told them exactly what happened.  The lady said she couldn't do anything and that I would have to buy Wii Sports off their site for 20 or 25 dollars.  I then sent an email to Nintendo stating my case again and saying my customer service rep kind of blew me off.  I then got a call about 10-15 mins after sending the message with a rep saying they were sending me Wii Sports for free which I now keep in a generic plastic case. 

I am getting way off topic here but I just wanted to respond to that statement.  My customer service experience with Sony during the PS1 era is what turned me off from Sony.  I used to buy many of their products (mainly audio) before but now I don't want any of their products.  Customer service matters and if companies foul up then it might lead to loss of customer for the rest of their life.  That is why it is important for companies to treat their customers right. 



maximrace on 20 November 2011

I think it's rather funny to see sonyfanboys starting to bash xbl while the thread was meaned to discuss psn. Ah well, personnaly I think it is stupid of them not charging for online but they won't do it. They know they will lose a lot of fans to the 360 ( wich gives a better services afterall). The community would benefit from it though. Think about the extras you can get when sony has more money for their online



kmcroc on 20 November 2011

I have no idea if they will forgo this free concept or keep it just for the sake of consumers . i don't care what kind of CEO you are but it's got to be hard to know that your compettion is making a billion dollars in profit from it's online service .



selnor on 20 November 2011

They have to. Financial climates changing.
I know it will upset some people and people will deny it. But Sony have to. To run Live and PSN costs a hell of a lot.
Also in many ways it will stop consumers being charged individually to play games online by publishers and developers. That will happen on PC, and would have likely happened to the console version. But Paying for Live will allow Microsoft to block that kind of thing for its consumers. As we already pay to play. Albeit only $40 a year.